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Tonight's Work Session With Judge Willis
      01/11/11 10:15 PM (72.86.52.211)

A quick synopsis of tonight's Council work session with Judge Willis--

1. From Judge Willis--Those opposed to court construction at this time have a political agenda.

2. From Judge Willis--By state law Virginia jurisdictions must have their own court facilities so stop talking about regional solutions. Somebody needs to tell Prince William County/ Manassas/ Manassas Park and Frederick Co./Winchester and I think four other jurisdiction that they are breaking the law by having joint court facilities.

3. Mayor Tomzak thanked Judge Willis for clearing that up the fallacy of a regional approach. City staff did not saying anything. Not quite true. City Attorney Dooley acknowledged after the meeting was over that there are multi-jurisdictional court facilities in the state.

4. Councilwoman Greenlaw--The city has low taxes, is in good financial shape compared to most, interest rates are low, the city should get a cheaper bids now that the economy is in the tanks, so this would be a good time to move forward.

5. Councilwoman Devine--Building the court should be a city priority however she did acknowledge we are faced with the worst economy in a generation which may slow things down but she feels the Council is committed to building a new court facility.

6. Judge Willis--When questioned about the dire financial picture, other city priorities, and trying to maintain services, and whether he would consider some short term security fixes the answer was no. We must have new facilities. He is looking for Council to keep moving on the two year time line stating that the financial situation will improve.

7. Judge Willis--The Council has done its due diligence and needs to move forward with picking a new construction plan now and get the job done.

What was not asked or discussed:

1. Council has referred to the need for new court facilities as a, "moral obligation." How would you describe the city's obligations to other city services such as public safety and education?

2. In the Moseley Report, put out before the economic downturn, staff stated that, "a cost of more than about $30 million for new court facilities is not affordable for the City at this time." What has changed in the city's financial picture which makes you believe we can spend more now?

3. Staff recommended back in 2006 building on the JDR site--Princess Anne Option C. Why did you support other options such as the post office, or even the current plan, which exceeded the staff budget recommendations?

4. How do you think moving forward with the court facilities as planned will affect the City's bond rating?

5. Will moving forward with the court project as currently planned have a negative impact on City priorities and city services?

6. How will the added debt service for the courts affect city capital projects in the future?

7. Staff has said that a tax increase will be required to move forward with the courts. Staff is also recommending tax increases for employee salaries and we can expect the same from the schools. How much of an increase are we looking at for the courts as well as to cover other city priorities?

8. Residential property values have continued to drop and we are facing a significant drop in commercial real estate values when we do the next assessment. The real estate tax rate will have to be increased to just to have revenues break even. How have you factored this into your decision to move forward with increasing city debt for the courts?

9. Have you talked with any other groups outside staff, judges and consultants about the scope and needs of the courts?

10. When will there be a public presentation to city residents giving them an opportunity to comment as well as receiving an explanation regarding the costs and impact of this project on city priorities and services? They are going to have to pay for it.

Edited by MattKelly (01/11/11 10:18 PM)

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* The Courts--What Else? MattKelly 07/30/10 10:58 PM
. * * Re: The Courts--What Else? Einstein   07/30/10 11:31 PM
. * * Re: The Courts--What Else? MattKelly   07/31/10 10:37 AM
. * * Something Else to Consider MattKelly   08/23/10 06:29 PM
. * * Isn't It Time For Council to Respond? MattKelly   08/29/10 11:49 AM
. * * Is This Enough or Should We Expect More? MattKelly   09/02/10 01:31 PM
. * * Re: Is This Enough or Should We Expect More? PaulM   09/08/10 03:20 PM
. * * Courts--A Done Deal? MattKelly   09/09/10 09:38 PM
. * * Re: Courts--A Done Deal? K_Johnson   09/15/10 05:11 PM
. * * Re: Courts--A Done Deal? buffcajun   09/10/10 07:07 AM
. * * Re: Courts--A Done Deal? MattKelly   09/10/10 10:53 AM
. * * Buffcajun Might Be Right MattKelly   09/13/10 09:40 PM
. * * It's Official-- You Owe City Council $40M MattKelly   09/15/10 10:22 AM
. * * Re: It's Official-- You Owe City Council $40M KyColonel   09/15/10 12:31 PM
. * * Re: It's Official-- You Owe City Council $40M K_Johnson   09/15/10 05:36 PM
. * * Another Option MattKelly   09/15/10 01:53 PM
. * * Re: Another Option KyColonel   09/15/10 11:34 PM
. * * Re: Another Option MattKelly   09/16/10 07:40 AM
. * * Council Quotes glasshouse   09/16/10 09:56 PM
. * * Re: Council Quotes MattKelly   09/17/10 06:26 AM
. * * Re: Council Quotes glasshouse   09/17/10 09:28 AM
. * * It's Perfectly Reasonable In the World of Politics MattKelly   09/17/10 10:08 AM
. * * Re: It's Perfectly Reasonable In the World of Politics PaulM   09/17/10 11:09 AM
. * * A Question........................ MattKelly   09/17/10 05:03 PM
. * * Re: A Question........................ cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/17/10 05:10 PM
. * * You First.......... MattKelly   09/17/10 10:43 PM
. * * As Promised...Kind of....... MattKelly   09/19/10 12:49 PM
. * * Tyranny of the Majority MattKelly   09/22/10 11:13 AM
. * * Re: Tyranny of the Majority cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/22/10 11:38 AM
. * * Re: Tyranny of the Majority MattKelly   09/22/10 01:08 PM
. * * Re: Tyranny of the Majority cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/22/10 01:25 PM
. * * Calling Rellascout MattKelly   09/22/10 03:12 PM
. * * Re: Calling Rellascout cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/22/10 03:33 PM
. * * Rehashing What? MattKelly   09/22/10 04:35 PM
. * * Your Thoughts on the Courts MattKelly   09/26/10 08:14 PM
. * * Anyone Have Anything New to Report??? MattKelly   10/24/10 10:07 PM
. * * Reality set in - glasshouse   10/26/10 11:10 PM
. * * Re: Reality set in - MattKelly   11/04/10 06:38 PM
. * * An Update MattKelly   11/13/10 05:33 PM
. * * Request for Proposals MattKelly   11/30/10 07:22 AM
. * * Judges First., Residents Second? MattKelly   12/16/10 02:46 PM
. * * Can Someone Explain This? MattKelly   01/05/11 05:16 PM
. * * Re: Can Someone Explain This? bigfish   01/05/11 10:54 PM
. * * Can You Elaborate? MattKelly   01/06/11 02:59 PM
. * * Tonight's Work Session With Judge Willis MattKelly   01/11/11 10:15 PM
. * * Re: Tonight's Work Session With Judge Willis buffcajun   01/12/11 07:08 AM
. * * Re: Tonight's Work Session With Judge Willis glasshouse   01/12/11 11:12 PM
. * * Re: Tonight's Work Session With Judge Willis buffcajun   01/13/11 08:51 AM
. * * The Real Issue MattKelly   01/15/11 12:36 PM
. * * Got My Answer--Cooking Trump Courts MattKelly   01/29/11 10:14 AM
. * * Re: Got My Answer--Cooking Trump Courts MF   01/29/11 11:14 AM
. * * Re: Got My Answer--Cooking Trump Courts glasshouse   01/29/11 09:51 PM
. * * Work Sessions on Court Proposals MattKelly   03/11/11 06:05 PM
. * * Re: Work Sessions on Court Proposals glasshouse   03/11/11 08:28 PM
. * * Televised????? MattKelly   03/11/11 08:32 PM
. * * Presentations to be Taped and Rebroadcast MattKelly   03/12/11 11:26 AM
. * * So Much for a Public Conversation MattKelly   03/15/11 08:06 AM
. * * We Get to E-Mail! MattKelly   03/15/11 03:33 PM
. * * Re: We Get to E-Mail! RichOnTheRoad   03/16/11 09:23 AM
. * * What is the Purpose????? MattKelly   03/16/11 04:57 PM
. * * Re: What is the Purpose????? glasshouse   03/16/11 09:45 PM
. * * A Closed Session MattKelly   04/07/11 05:02 PM
. * * If Anyone is Interested.... MattKelly   04/08/11 04:02 PM
. * * The Latest..... MattKelly   04/12/11 04:23 PM
. * * Re: The Latest..... cassandra&sarasdaddy   04/12/11 08:24 PM
. * * Frustrated MattKelly   04/12/11 09:48 PM
. * * I'm a Hypocrite--Reason for Closed Session MattKelly   04/13/11 09:56 AM
. * * Re: I'm a Hypocrite--Reason for Closed Session buffcajun   04/13/11 10:01 AM
. * * Re: I'm a Hypocrite--Reason for Closed Session MattKelly   04/13/11 11:08 AM
. * * Parking Deck, Hotels, and Schools MattKelly   04/13/11 01:12 PM
. * * Discussion Closed MattKelly   04/17/11 11:20 AM
. * * A Walk Down Memory Lane MattKelly   04/17/11 02:26 PM
. * * The Bar Association Speaks!--Circuit Court Only? MattKelly   04/27/11 03:31 PM
. * * Re: The Bar Association Speaks!--Circuit Court Only? MF   04/27/11 03:54 PM
. * * Re: We Get to E-Mail! buffcajun   03/15/11 03:39 PM
. * * Not Succeeding Is Not an Excuse for Not Trying MattKelly   03/15/11 04:29 PM
. * * Re: Not Succeeding Is Not an Excuse for Not Trying buffcajun   03/16/11 07:12 AM
. * * Re: Tonight's Work Session With Judge Willis RichOnTheRoad   01/13/11 10:08 AM
. * * Re: Can Someone Explain This? buffcajun   01/06/11 08:59 AM
. * * Is It worth Attending??????? MattKelly   05/12/11 02:42 PM
. * * Another Point to Consider MattKelly   05/13/11 06:44 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/14/11 12:32 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MattKelly   05/14/11 12:37 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/14/11 01:24 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MattKelly   05/14/11 02:52 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/14/11 03:28 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MattKelly   05/14/11 05:46 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/14/11 05:59 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MattKelly   05/14/11 08:35 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/15/11 01:53 AM
. * * Public Records MattKelly   05/15/11 05:18 AM
. * * Re: Public Records cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/15/11 08:24 AM
. * * Re: Public Records MattKelly   05/15/11 11:04 AM
. * * Re: Public Records cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/15/11 04:12 PM
. * * Re: Public Records MattKelly   05/15/11 05:06 PM
. * * An Observation & A Suggestion MattKelly   05/16/11 11:57 AM
. * * Re: An Observation & A Suggestion part 2 cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/16/11 02:57 PM
. * * Re: An Observation & A Suggestion part 2 MattKelly   05/16/11 03:19 PM
. * * Re: An Observation & A Suggestion part 2 cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/16/11 04:30 PM
. * * Re: An Observation & A Suggestion part 2 MattKelly   05/16/11 05:48 PM
. * * Re: An Observation & A Suggestion part 2 buffcajun   05/18/11 08:31 AM
. * * Today's Editorial MattKelly   05/20/11 12:36 PM
. * * Last Night's Work Session MattKelly   05/25/11 07:29 AM
. * * Re: Last Night's Work Session buffcajun   05/25/11 07:32 AM
. * * Managment & Operations Review. MattKelly   05/25/11 10:34 AM
. * * Another Good Point MattKelly   05/25/11 01:05 PM
. * * Gotten A Letter Yet? And Another Closed Meeting MattKelly   06/10/11 11:01 AM
. * * What Just Happened????? MattKelly   06/14/11 09:08 PM
. * * Take a Closer Look MattKelly   06/16/11 03:48 PM
. * * Think I'll Get an Answer? MattKelly   06/19/11 06:39 PM
. * * Re: Think I'll Get an Answer? cassandra&sarasdaddy   06/19/11 06:53 PM
. * * You Can't Win Them All, But................ MattKelly   06/19/11 08:44 PM
. * * Re: You Can't Win Them All, But................ cassandra&sarasdaddy   07/09/11 06:24 PM
. * * Re: You Can't Win Them All, But................ MattKelly   07/09/11 06:37 PM
. * * Another Closed Meeting............................ MattKelly   08/18/11 03:55 PM
. * * Re: Another Closed Meeting............................ cassandra&sarasdaddy   08/18/11 04:00 PM
. * * Council to Public--Be Quite and Open Your Wallets MattKelly   08/25/11 07:37 AM
. * * Re: Council to Public--Be Quite and Open Your Wallets cassandra&sarasdaddy   08/25/11 09:27 AM
. * * For your Reading Pleasure......... MattKelly   08/25/11 03:03 PM
. * * OK Then Let's Move On MattKelly   09/01/11 08:43 PM
. * * Re: OK Then Let's Move On cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/01/11 08:48 PM
. * * Finally!!! A Question on Topic MattKelly   09/01/11 09:15 PM
. * * Re: Finally!!! A Question on Topic cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/01/11 09:43 PM
. * * A Discussion Begins! MattKelly   09/02/11 07:47 AM
. * * Please Stay Home MattKelly   11/03/11 04:44 PM
. * * Some Questions for the Press....and You MattKelly   11/14/11 06:27 PM
. * * Last Chance For You.....and the Press. MattKelly   11/22/11 05:28 PM
. * * "Not a word was uttered--Zero Public Comment" MattKelly   11/24/11 12:07 PM
. * * Some Food for Thought MattKelly   11/26/11 01:28 PM
. * * Re: Some Food for Thought Haysus   11/27/11 07:24 AM
. * * Its the Effort That Counts MattKelly   11/27/11 11:22 AM
. * * Little Fanfare --The Arcadis Report is Released MattKelly   12/21/11 05:15 PM
. * * Let The Discussion Begin MattKelly   04/02/12 08:27 AM
. * * Do You Have Enough Info to Discuss? MattKelly   04/09/12 03:42 PM
. * * Latest on Courthouse MattKelly   05/13/12 11:49 AM
. * * Today's ARB Story and More....... MattKelly   05/16/12 10:31 AM
. * * Another Perspective on the Courts.... MattKelly   05/28/12 04:37 PM
. * * The Courts --The Bigger Picture MattKelly   06/18/12 03:17 PM
. * * The Fat Lady Sings..... MattKelly   06/19/12 07:38 PM
. * * A Parting Thought...... MattKelly   06/20/12 09:24 PM
. * * The RFP--Let's Try Again MattKelly   07/09/11 05:46 PM
. * * Re: An Observation & A Suggestion part 2 cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/16/11 06:27 PM
. * * City History MattKelly   05/16/11 02:30 PM
. * * Re: Public Records cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/15/11 04:10 PM
. * * Re: Public Records MF   05/15/11 10:06 AM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MF   05/13/11 09:48 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MattKelly   05/14/11 06:03 AM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MF   05/14/11 09:40 AM
. * * Re: Another Option cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/15/10 02:17 PM
. * * Do It My Way--You miss the Point MattKelly   09/15/10 02:49 PM
. * * Re: Do It My Way--You miss the Point cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/15/10 04:12 PM
. * * Radio Interview in the Morning MattKelly   08/01/10 11:15 AM
. * * Re: Radio Interview in the Morning MattKelly   08/22/10 06:37 PM
. * * Re: Radio Interview in the Morning YesItIsMe   08/22/10 09:41 PM

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