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Re: Reality set in -
      11/04/10 06:38 PM (71.171.65.181)

Herlong & Assoc. had a public meeting (still waiting on Council to have one) at the library last night going over the issues with the court. While I did not attend (enjoying some family time) city resident and former City Council candidate Steve Delugos did attend. Below is an e-mail outlining his thoughts he sent out to a number of city residents and the FLS---

Fellow citizens ,

The subject of our inadequate City Courts , the need for a solution to provide adequate physical security, proper use of the historic Renwick Courthouse, use of the Executive Plaza building ,and the demolition of the Juvenile & District Court have all been in play as part of a solution puzzle for at least the last 10 years without resolution, Why is that?

How do we consolidate our courts provide the necessary physical security and adequate court space for our judicial system including our City Sheriff?

I sense fatigue with the subject is settling in with the best council we have elected in many years and I am concerned were going down a path that will be costly and doomed to failure in times where fiscal discipline and resources are few. All in the name of expediency.

We specifically lack a definition of what our end goal is, and the specifications that are required to ensure a quality and fiscally prudent solution will offered by the market.

This end state (requirement) the variables and the minimum specifications that offers must adhere too must be documented and provided as public information and be at the heart of any proposal request before council proceeds.

It's not new to best business practices to define your end state (requirement) with the necessary specifications to allow market forces ( contractors) to provide cost sensitive and innovative solutions. Don't provide the market with alternatives!!They will provide you solutions you've never thought of if you define your end state without restraining them with alternatives. Then from the responses received you can select the best value.

Back to the end state requirement For instance, how many square feet are required for the total solution? What's the end state for lighting, physical security, how many court rooms ,do they all have to be the same size?

What are the facility requirements?, What do you require for climate control minimum /max per season? What is your minimum standard for lighting? What are the holding cell requirements for max number of prisoners ,what would be the mean requirement? Are historic preservation requirements in play ,if so what buildings and what are the requirements that must be adhered too.

Need a secure place or firearms ,what's the specification? Do you need facilities for clerk of the court , court reporter, witnesses ,juries, prisoners, plaintiffs ,defendants and their councils?

What are the information technology end state requirements to support the functions of the Courts?

Are special requirements required for judges? What is the size and accommodations required? What buildings are in play for the contractor to evaluate for his or her solution. Are there any requirements like Renwick must continue as a courthouse regardless of the solution?.If so, reflect it in the RFP.

Are you describing to the market whether you are going to weigh cost and schedule equally in the response or is one more important than the other?.How are you evaluating the technical part of their response? Does demonstrated past performance for like or similar requirements count ?The questions above and the answers are important and will be reflected in the market's responses.

Anyway, I suppose you get my point whether you agree or not. I really believe work is yet to be accomplished before we can prudently go to the market for proposed solutions that will be satisfactory and fiscally responsible. What do you think?

Best Regards,

Steve

---Any of this sound familiar? Questions keep getting asked yet no answers are forthcoming.

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* The Courts--What Else? MattKelly 07/30/10 10:58 PM
. * * Re: The Courts--What Else? Einstein   07/30/10 11:31 PM
. * * Re: The Courts--What Else? MattKelly   07/31/10 10:37 AM
. * * Something Else to Consider MattKelly   08/23/10 06:29 PM
. * * Isn't It Time For Council to Respond? MattKelly   08/29/10 11:49 AM
. * * Is This Enough or Should We Expect More? MattKelly   09/02/10 01:31 PM
. * * Re: Is This Enough or Should We Expect More? PaulM   09/08/10 03:20 PM
. * * Courts--A Done Deal? MattKelly   09/09/10 09:38 PM
. * * Re: Courts--A Done Deal? K_Johnson   09/15/10 05:11 PM
. * * Re: Courts--A Done Deal? buffcajun   09/10/10 07:07 AM
. * * Re: Courts--A Done Deal? MattKelly   09/10/10 10:53 AM
. * * Buffcajun Might Be Right MattKelly   09/13/10 09:40 PM
. * * It's Official-- You Owe City Council $40M MattKelly   09/15/10 10:22 AM
. * * Re: It's Official-- You Owe City Council $40M KyColonel   09/15/10 12:31 PM
. * * Re: It's Official-- You Owe City Council $40M K_Johnson   09/15/10 05:36 PM
. * * Another Option MattKelly   09/15/10 01:53 PM
. * * Re: Another Option KyColonel   09/15/10 11:34 PM
. * * Re: Another Option MattKelly   09/16/10 07:40 AM
. * * Council Quotes glasshouse   09/16/10 09:56 PM
. * * Re: Council Quotes MattKelly   09/17/10 06:26 AM
. * * Re: Council Quotes glasshouse   09/17/10 09:28 AM
. * * It's Perfectly Reasonable In the World of Politics MattKelly   09/17/10 10:08 AM
. * * Re: It's Perfectly Reasonable In the World of Politics PaulM   09/17/10 11:09 AM
. * * A Question........................ MattKelly   09/17/10 05:03 PM
. * * Re: A Question........................ cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/17/10 05:10 PM
. * * You First.......... MattKelly   09/17/10 10:43 PM
. * * As Promised...Kind of....... MattKelly   09/19/10 12:49 PM
. * * Tyranny of the Majority MattKelly   09/22/10 11:13 AM
. * * Re: Tyranny of the Majority cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/22/10 11:38 AM
. * * Re: Tyranny of the Majority MattKelly   09/22/10 01:08 PM
. * * Re: Tyranny of the Majority cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/22/10 01:25 PM
. * * Calling Rellascout MattKelly   09/22/10 03:12 PM
. * * Re: Calling Rellascout cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/22/10 03:33 PM
. * * Rehashing What? MattKelly   09/22/10 04:35 PM
. * * Your Thoughts on the Courts MattKelly   09/26/10 08:14 PM
. * * Anyone Have Anything New to Report??? MattKelly   10/24/10 10:07 PM
. * * Reality set in - glasshouse   10/26/10 11:10 PM
. * * Re: Reality set in - MattKelly   11/04/10 06:38 PM
. * * An Update MattKelly   11/13/10 05:33 PM
. * * Request for Proposals MattKelly   11/30/10 07:22 AM
. * * Judges First., Residents Second? MattKelly   12/16/10 02:46 PM
. * * Can Someone Explain This? MattKelly   01/05/11 05:16 PM
. * * Re: Can Someone Explain This? bigfish   01/05/11 10:54 PM
. * * Can You Elaborate? MattKelly   01/06/11 02:59 PM
. * * Tonight's Work Session With Judge Willis MattKelly   01/11/11 10:15 PM
. * * Re: Tonight's Work Session With Judge Willis buffcajun   01/12/11 07:08 AM
. * * Re: Tonight's Work Session With Judge Willis glasshouse   01/12/11 11:12 PM
. * * Re: Tonight's Work Session With Judge Willis buffcajun   01/13/11 08:51 AM
. * * The Real Issue MattKelly   01/15/11 12:36 PM
. * * Got My Answer--Cooking Trump Courts MattKelly   01/29/11 10:14 AM
. * * Re: Got My Answer--Cooking Trump Courts MF   01/29/11 11:14 AM
. * * Re: Got My Answer--Cooking Trump Courts glasshouse   01/29/11 09:51 PM
. * * Work Sessions on Court Proposals MattKelly   03/11/11 06:05 PM
. * * Re: Work Sessions on Court Proposals glasshouse   03/11/11 08:28 PM
. * * Televised????? MattKelly   03/11/11 08:32 PM
. * * Presentations to be Taped and Rebroadcast MattKelly   03/12/11 11:26 AM
. * * So Much for a Public Conversation MattKelly   03/15/11 08:06 AM
. * * We Get to E-Mail! MattKelly   03/15/11 03:33 PM
. * * Re: We Get to E-Mail! RichOnTheRoad   03/16/11 09:23 AM
. * * What is the Purpose????? MattKelly   03/16/11 04:57 PM
. * * Re: What is the Purpose????? glasshouse   03/16/11 09:45 PM
. * * A Closed Session MattKelly   04/07/11 05:02 PM
. * * If Anyone is Interested.... MattKelly   04/08/11 04:02 PM
. * * The Latest..... MattKelly   04/12/11 04:23 PM
. * * Re: The Latest..... cassandra&sarasdaddy   04/12/11 08:24 PM
. * * Frustrated MattKelly   04/12/11 09:48 PM
. * * I'm a Hypocrite--Reason for Closed Session MattKelly   04/13/11 09:56 AM
. * * Re: I'm a Hypocrite--Reason for Closed Session buffcajun   04/13/11 10:01 AM
. * * Re: I'm a Hypocrite--Reason for Closed Session MattKelly   04/13/11 11:08 AM
. * * Parking Deck, Hotels, and Schools MattKelly   04/13/11 01:12 PM
. * * Discussion Closed MattKelly   04/17/11 11:20 AM
. * * A Walk Down Memory Lane MattKelly   04/17/11 02:26 PM
. * * The Bar Association Speaks!--Circuit Court Only? MattKelly   04/27/11 03:31 PM
. * * Re: The Bar Association Speaks!--Circuit Court Only? MF   04/27/11 03:54 PM
. * * Re: We Get to E-Mail! buffcajun   03/15/11 03:39 PM
. * * Not Succeeding Is Not an Excuse for Not Trying MattKelly   03/15/11 04:29 PM
. * * Re: Not Succeeding Is Not an Excuse for Not Trying buffcajun   03/16/11 07:12 AM
. * * Re: Tonight's Work Session With Judge Willis RichOnTheRoad   01/13/11 10:08 AM
. * * Re: Can Someone Explain This? buffcajun   01/06/11 08:59 AM
. * * Is It worth Attending??????? MattKelly   05/12/11 02:42 PM
. * * Another Point to Consider MattKelly   05/13/11 06:44 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/14/11 12:32 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MattKelly   05/14/11 12:37 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/14/11 01:24 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MattKelly   05/14/11 02:52 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/14/11 03:28 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MattKelly   05/14/11 05:46 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/14/11 05:59 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MattKelly   05/14/11 08:35 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/15/11 01:53 AM
. * * Public Records MattKelly   05/15/11 05:18 AM
. * * Re: Public Records cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/15/11 08:24 AM
. * * Re: Public Records MattKelly   05/15/11 11:04 AM
. * * Re: Public Records cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/15/11 04:12 PM
. * * Re: Public Records MattKelly   05/15/11 05:06 PM
. * * An Observation & A Suggestion MattKelly   05/16/11 11:57 AM
. * * Re: An Observation & A Suggestion part 2 cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/16/11 02:57 PM
. * * Re: An Observation & A Suggestion part 2 MattKelly   05/16/11 03:19 PM
. * * Re: An Observation & A Suggestion part 2 cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/16/11 04:30 PM
. * * Re: An Observation & A Suggestion part 2 MattKelly   05/16/11 05:48 PM
. * * Re: An Observation & A Suggestion part 2 buffcajun   05/18/11 08:31 AM
. * * Today's Editorial MattKelly   05/20/11 12:36 PM
. * * Last Night's Work Session MattKelly   05/25/11 07:29 AM
. * * Re: Last Night's Work Session buffcajun   05/25/11 07:32 AM
. * * Managment & Operations Review. MattKelly   05/25/11 10:34 AM
. * * Another Good Point MattKelly   05/25/11 01:05 PM
. * * Gotten A Letter Yet? And Another Closed Meeting MattKelly   06/10/11 11:01 AM
. * * What Just Happened????? MattKelly   06/14/11 09:08 PM
. * * Take a Closer Look MattKelly   06/16/11 03:48 PM
. * * Think I'll Get an Answer? MattKelly   06/19/11 06:39 PM
. * * Re: Think I'll Get an Answer? cassandra&sarasdaddy   06/19/11 06:53 PM
. * * You Can't Win Them All, But................ MattKelly   06/19/11 08:44 PM
. * * Re: You Can't Win Them All, But................ cassandra&sarasdaddy   07/09/11 06:24 PM
. * * Re: You Can't Win Them All, But................ MattKelly   07/09/11 06:37 PM
. * * Another Closed Meeting............................ MattKelly   08/18/11 03:55 PM
. * * Re: Another Closed Meeting............................ cassandra&sarasdaddy   08/18/11 04:00 PM
. * * Council to Public--Be Quite and Open Your Wallets MattKelly   08/25/11 07:37 AM
. * * Re: Council to Public--Be Quite and Open Your Wallets cassandra&sarasdaddy   08/25/11 09:27 AM
. * * For your Reading Pleasure......... MattKelly   08/25/11 03:03 PM
. * * OK Then Let's Move On MattKelly   09/01/11 08:43 PM
. * * Re: OK Then Let's Move On cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/01/11 08:48 PM
. * * Finally!!! A Question on Topic MattKelly   09/01/11 09:15 PM
. * * Re: Finally!!! A Question on Topic cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/01/11 09:43 PM
. * * A Discussion Begins! MattKelly   09/02/11 07:47 AM
. * * Please Stay Home MattKelly   11/03/11 04:44 PM
. * * Some Questions for the Press....and You MattKelly   11/14/11 06:27 PM
. * * Last Chance For You.....and the Press. MattKelly   11/22/11 05:28 PM
. * * "Not a word was uttered--Zero Public Comment" MattKelly   11/24/11 12:07 PM
. * * Some Food for Thought MattKelly   11/26/11 01:28 PM
. * * Re: Some Food for Thought Haysus   11/27/11 07:24 AM
. * * Its the Effort That Counts MattKelly   11/27/11 11:22 AM
. * * Little Fanfare --The Arcadis Report is Released MattKelly   12/21/11 05:15 PM
. * * Let The Discussion Begin MattKelly   04/02/12 08:27 AM
. * * Do You Have Enough Info to Discuss? MattKelly   04/09/12 03:42 PM
. * * Latest on Courthouse MattKelly   05/13/12 11:49 AM
. * * Today's ARB Story and More....... MattKelly   05/16/12 10:31 AM
. * * Another Perspective on the Courts.... MattKelly   05/28/12 04:37 PM
. * * The Courts --The Bigger Picture MattKelly   06/18/12 03:17 PM
. * * The Fat Lady Sings..... MattKelly   06/19/12 07:38 PM
. * * A Parting Thought...... MattKelly   06/20/12 09:24 PM
. * * The RFP--Let's Try Again MattKelly   07/09/11 05:46 PM
. * * Re: An Observation & A Suggestion part 2 cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/16/11 06:27 PM
. * * City History MattKelly   05/16/11 02:30 PM
. * * Re: Public Records cassandra&sarasdaddy   05/15/11 04:10 PM
. * * Re: Public Records MF   05/15/11 10:06 AM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MF   05/13/11 09:48 PM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MattKelly   05/14/11 06:03 AM
. * * Re: Another Point to Consider MF   05/14/11 09:40 AM
. * * Re: Another Option cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/15/10 02:17 PM
. * * Do It My Way--You miss the Point MattKelly   09/15/10 02:49 PM
. * * Re: Do It My Way--You miss the Point cassandra&sarasdaddy   09/15/10 04:12 PM
. * * Radio Interview in the Morning MattKelly   08/01/10 11:15 AM
. * * Re: Radio Interview in the Morning MattKelly   08/22/10 06:37 PM
. * * Re: Radio Interview in the Morning YesItIsMe   08/22/10 09:41 PM

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