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Sheriff vs. Police
      #863062 - 01/12/06 02:11 AM (4.248.250.86)

A sheriff's office or a police department? What differences matter the most? Do you think patrol sheriff's deputies are just as effective as patrol officers? Does having an elected sheriff affect civilians living in the community rather than a police chief?

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: dispatcher911]
      #863455 - 01/12/06 11:31 AM (71.246.146.3)

What I find as the main difference is the policies of each. My experiences with Spotsy sheriff have been spotty at most. I can call in a DUI and they say call the state police???? Anyhow, the deputies work for an elected official not a hired one.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: chesterking]
      #864702 - 01/13/06 04:13 PM (4.248.239.206)

Haha. Yeah. If you're on the interstate then I'm sure you've been transferred to the state police. I just wanted someone's opinion on whether they think having a sheriff or chief is more effective. I think a sheriff's office is really focused on pleasing the public instead of really helping them or their employees.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: dispatcher911]
      #864758 - 01/13/06 06:26 PM (71.246.150.68)

Actually this was at Salem Church and Harrison Road. This was when I first moved to spotsy, got to talk with a deputy that lived next door and he said they would not deal with low level crimes. I told him that did not make me feel to good to know, but on the other hand, the state police are more strict then any department. I personally take a chief over a sheriff any day of the week because a chief can be fired quicker for any wrongdoing. A sheriff has to be elected out of office.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: chesterking]
      #865231 - 01/14/06 06:47 AM (4.248.254.108)

There are enough issues I could discuss about a sheriff's office. You are right about a chief being fired quicker, though. Yeah state police are strict, but that's good. I don't believe I could handle working in the local dispatch office. They handle 14 counties in one tiny room.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: dispatcher911]
      #865727 - 01/14/06 08:36 PM (71.246.152.70)

I recall the state police are now consolidating the whole dispatch center into one building. I heard that on the news. If you had a chance to hear about the richmond sheriff crap. The outgoing refused the incoming to visit the jail. She was a butthead and proved how she let her politics get in the way of public safety.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: chesterking]
      #865733 - 01/14/06 08:39 PM (4.248.233.170)

I didn't hear about all that. Guess I need to catch up on the news.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: dispatcher911]
      #866264 - 01/15/06 01:29 PM (71.246.149.146)

It was ugly. The woman let the jail go down the drain in the 12 years of her tenure, fought with the city council, and now fought with her successor. The guy actually wears the uniform (she didnt), he is now trying to fix broken locks, overcrowding etc. This is where those two alleged killers (Harvey/Tucker/Arlington/PA murders) are being kept. Im surprised they have not had any breakouts yet.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: chesterking]
      #876854 - 01/27/06 12:36 PM (71.240.239.193)

I always thought counties has sheriffs and cities had police departments. I didn't know there was more of a difference.

I don't like the position being elected but I definately think the person should live in the area that they are protecting. I don't think politics should rule safety.


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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: Hurdleguru]
      #877143 - 01/27/06 03:42 PM (71.246.156.167)

Actually some counties have both. Sheriffs usually run jails in counties where police are also present. I know of only one county (fairfax) where both depts patrol the streets. I believe the Prince William Police is probably one of the newest depts in Virginia which if correct was formed in the late 60s. They took over for the sheriffs office for all patrol duties. Having a police dept takes out the politics in law enforcement to an extent. Usually the chief is hired by the council or supervisors that run the govt. So they tend to hire someone with their overall beliefs yet the chief does not have to worry about elections and all that crap.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: chesterking]
      #877154 - 01/27/06 03:51 PM (152.163.100.71)

actually last I heard Prince William Sheriff's Office was also doing traffic in addition to civil process.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: My2CentsWorth]
      #877251 - 01/27/06 06:33 PM (71.246.156.167)

Actually you are correct. They do have a traffic department in the sheriffs. I should have remembered that since one did pull me over.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: chesterking]
      #877347 - 01/27/06 09:51 PM (64.12.116.71)

another good thing about police depts. vs sheriffs offices - at least in a PD you have job security to an extent...in a Sheriff's Office you work at the discretion of the sheriff. Better hope he doesn't come to work in a bad mood one day! And election time....oh, is that fun...

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: My2CentsWorth]
      #877539 - 01/28/06 01:13 PM (71.246.150.175)

I have witnessed two very ugly sheriff elections in my life. One in Fairfax where the old sheriff fired a deputy who ran against him. The fired deputy was reinstated and then won the election. The other just happened last year in Richmond. The incoming sheriff was forbidden access to his soon to be new jail by the outgoing. This is the same place that is housing the two men who are charged with 7 murders (Harveys).

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: chesterking]
      #878135 - 01/29/06 04:20 PM (138.88.87.215)

There was that one down in Georgia, I think, last year, where the new guy fired the rest of the force for being racist or something.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: Burqajoint]
      #879178 - 01/31/06 06:23 AM (68.69.103.56)

Out here is fun... We have Town police, county police, AND state police. Ya never know who's gonna get ya

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: chesterking]
      #894120 - 02/18/06 01:25 PM (69.174.3.4)

Albemarle County & Prince William patrol the streets.
I got pulled over by a PW Sheriff in 1987 while delivering a pizza for Domino's. The deputy actually a bone with Domino's and not with me.


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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: My2CentsWorth]
      #894128 - 02/18/06 02:10 PM (4.184.233.101)

Poloice dept's have policies and procedures that require a fair application to all and by VA Code can be taken to Circuit Court

Sheriff's Offices serve at the pleasure and policies apply when and for who they want them to.

1. If you contributed to a sheriffs campaign, you may get treated differently

2. Related to a large family (votes or $) or other political type connection.



Police dept having hiring a promotional procedures that they have to follow

Sheriff's offices do not

MOST IMPORTANTLY

Chief has a boss..city or towm mgr, and council.

Sheriff has 1 boss - the people just before election time


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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: PatrickWayne]
      #896339 - 02/22/06 11:08 AM (69.160.83.174)

PW, you sound like an upset FORMER employee. What happened?

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: RealDeal]
      #896678 - 02/22/06 04:31 PM (69.174.47.125)

Ya he got a problem. LOL hes

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: Wisdom101]
      #896708 - 02/22/06 05:28 PM (71.246.159.254)

I believe that a PD is better suited for LE activities then a SO. Yeah the deputies could still assist in road duties, but a chief is better suited for the job since he/she would have to answer daily to the county board.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: chesterking]
      #896774 - 02/22/06 07:10 PM (69.160.83.174)

King, you may be right. A PD may be better suited for Spotsylvania, considering the amount of growth and the size.I don't agree that a Sheriff has no one to answer to. He answers to the BOS and the citizens, probably on a daily basis.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: RealDeal]
      #896799 - 02/22/06 07:25 PM (71.246.159.254)

The BOS has limited say over his department. The sheriff is an elected official. He does answer to the voters but only so often. Usually a sheriffs race is lopsided unless the incumbent makes some very ridiculous decisions such as the blowjob scandal.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: Hurdleguru]
      #901780 - 03/02/06 03:12 PM (69.174.58.137)

Cities and countys have sheriff offices...towns do not.
Sheriff offices handle criminal and civil enforcement and court security.
By state code (with a few specific exceptions) police departments can only handle criminal enforcement.


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I always thought counties has sheriffs and cities had police departments. I didn't know there was more of a difference.

I don't like the position being elected but I definately think the person should live in the area that they are protecting. I don't think politics should rule safety.




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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: chesterking]
      #904720 - 03/07/06 08:06 PM (63.172.80.165)

Quote: chesterking


The BOS has limited say over his department. The sheriff is an elected official. He does answer to the voters but only so often. Usually a sheriffs race is lopsided unless the incumbent makes some very ridiculous decisions such as the blowjob scandal.





Yeah.
I doubt a po-lice man would go out and mess it up for the rest of us by tipping $350.

And on the subject of sheriffs running for office, just how often do the voters REALLY know which candidate can do the better job?

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: Trippletap]
      #904860 - 03/08/06 07:01 AM (172.164.22.12)

Actually, independent "cities" and counties have Sheriffs. It's a "constitutional" office. If the "unit" doesn't do anything about law enforcement the sheriff (and the state police) will do what they can with what they have.

When a "unit" wants more local protection it can either create a police department or just give the Sheriff more money to hire his own people.

Fairfax County, for example, has a police department.

Beyond a certain size, police departments make more sense as then the Sheriff can concentrate on Court matters and running the jail and the police can patrol and investigate.

"Sense aside," police departments are controlled by the same politicians that make the local laws. Sheriff departments are controlled by an independent politician. Pay your money and take your choice. I remember the Mayor of a small (VA) town who had a badge and police powers. Aside from him, there were no town police.


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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: PatrickWayne]
      #1094590 - 04/05/07 08:57 AM (205.188.116.135)

Quote:

Poloice dept's have policies and procedures that require a fair application to all and by VA Code can be taken to Circuit Court

Sheriff's Offices serve at the pleasure and policies apply when and for who they want them to.

1. If you contributed to a sheriffs campaign, you may get treated differently

2. Related to a large family (votes or $) or other political type connection.



Police dept having hiring a promotional procedures that they have to follow

Sheriff's offices do not

MOST IMPORTANTLY

Chief has a boss..city or towm mgr, and council.

Sheriff has 1 boss - the people just before election time




Before you all flame PW, I'll risk stating that I have some personal experience with both PD's and SO's. PW's comments are 100% right on.
I never could understand how a policing unit could be truly effective when the head of the organization was a politician. Just my $.02

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: chesterking]
      #1094755 - 04/05/07 03:13 PM (138.162.128.45)

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Actually some counties have both...I believe the Prince William Police is probably one of the newest depts in Virginia which if correct was formed in the late 60s. They took over for the sheriffs office for all patrol duties.


Yep, I went to visit the PW courthouse on a field trip in high school, and learned that in PW county the police fight crime and the sheriffs (1) did not have the authority to arrest and (2) were primarily responsible for guarding the county jail and courthouse. That division of duties seemed to work well for PW county.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: Janos]
      #1094758 - 04/05/07 03:15 PM (140.183.63.33)

Im way late in chiming in on this but i have an opinion..

Sheriff and Police are both awsome as far as assisting the population and preventing crime

State Troopers are mostly Jerks, nothing but traffic ticket ladies as far as im concerned.
IMHO

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: Dirtnap300]
      #1094776 - 04/05/07 03:37 PM (138.162.128.58)

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State Troopers are mostly Jerks, nothing but traffic ticket ladies as far as im concerned.
IMHO



Got a funny one for you.
In 1974 or early '75, I was driving home from NC with 2 buddies of mine. Keith was in the back seat and wanted to moon somebody. He asked me to turn on the dome light (it was dark) at the next car so he could moon them. As we pulled alongside, I hit the light and he dropped trou. The car next to us turned on his dome light -- so we could see the shotgun, state trooper suit, etc. He turned his light off, I turned mine off, and we drove on home. A "ticket lady" would have had my butt. I have always found the Va State Police to be thoroughly professional and the best in their trade, doing a very dangerous job where a lot of jerks give them crap all the time.


Keep yer speed down!

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: Janos]
      #1095694 - 04/07/07 12:44 AM (71.62.116.224)

Oh that's a good one!
In Mississippi, it seems that they just let you alone. I have the impression that they figure that those who can't handle the speed will wreck and take themselves out so they just let-em go.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: Janos]
      #1095798 - 04/07/07 11:41 AM (162.83.77.99)

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I have always found the Va State Police to be thoroughly professional and the best in their trade, doing a very dangerous job where a lot of jerks give them crap all the time.




I agree with that statement. I'd rather deal with a state trooper than any of the Richard Crabgrasses in Alexandria or Fairfax. Some years ago I was travelling on I-66 alone and had a flat. I tried to change it but couldn't loosen the lugnuts. I got back in the car and drove until I saw a service station over the embankment. When I got back to the car, there was a state trooper. It was then that I realized I left the spare where I initially stopped. The trooper didn't laugh, he just drove me to back to get it. The tow truck was slow arriving, the trooper put in a call and they arrived within minutes. That's serving the public.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: mimi2two]
      #1095985 - 04/07/07 08:11 PM (71.62.116.224)

On the weekends lat at night it seems the KG fuzz pull everyone over, figuring they're all drunk driving.
They have pulled me a couple of times and both times lied about seeing me commit a violation.
They had nuthin' on me and had to let me go.

In Alexandria once I had one hell of a nightmare with the flatfoots up there.
I won't give the whole story, it's a long one, but I got pulled for making an illegal u-turn, which I was guilty of and admitted. My driver's license didn't show up in their computer although it was valid. The copper refused to run it through the state computer and refused to believe his eyes when he looked at the license and refused my challenge to charge me with forgery. Since my car was on Eisenhower, they decided to tow it with the cop's pal showing up in a towtruck about 30 seconds later. It was gone by the time friend got there to drive it to her house.
It was hell getting back home and then back up there to get my car which cost something like $160 to get out of the lot.
I had to get rides to DMV for copies of my record - clean going back 11 years - and a temporary license, as well as back up to Alexandria to get someone to drive my car back down here.
The cop lied in court about the driver's license he took and also lied about the computer system. The judge didn't buy his story and after more rigamarole I got reimbursed for the tow-lot fee.
No one had ever gotten thier money back like I did, and I got quite a runaround before everyone figured out who should write me the check.

Later I regretted not going back and meeting the po-lice chief and telling him what took place as well as filing a complaint. By the time

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: My2CentsWorth]
      #1161578 - 08/30/07 03:38 PM (71.62.211.1)

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actually last I heard Prince William Sheriff's Office was also doing traffic in addition to civil process.




PWSO has always done this. I remember getting stopped once in 1987 by a Deputy Sheriff who wanted to make my pizza late while I was delivering for Domino's. They had a 30 minute guarantee back then. (unbeknownst to that deputy, who looked like Cascious Claiborne from the Dukes of Hazzard) I'm an awesome driver and still got that pizza there on time. It was in Manassas.
Sheriff's are constitutionally mandated officers. Police Chiefs are appointed. Sheriff's get impeached while Chiefs just get fired.
Spotsy needs it's own PD in addition to the SO.

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Re: Sheriff vs. Police [Re: DJ_MIKE]
      #1202251 - 11/14/07 04:50 PM (70.187.209.181)

The Sheriffs in spotsy for are pretty useless for the most part. They like to screw around with residents when they feel they need to show off their authority and if you ever have a real problem and need them called out they usually just try to turn it back on you and say its your fault, or to deal with it. The road construction thats been going on that cuts through Robert E. Lee and goes to the court house has really been fun. The sheriffs been called out at least every other week to handle some problem with the construction crew leaving trash around, screwing up the driveways and scaring the crap out of the residents because construction feels they don't have to look both ways when pulling out of the road and onto the driveway.

I really enjoyed it when I heard they had to come out and yell at the the guys to stop taking a crap in the woods.

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