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Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas
      #1614449 - 12/02/10 09:59 AM (66.16.66.62)

There are no Militant Atheists Just People Who Hate the Meaning Behind the Holidays

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614461 - 12/02/10 10:31 AM (71.63.67.136)

They have every right to have that billboard just as the Christians have every right to have the billboard that they do. If I do not like what it says I do not have to look at it. Besides, I do not live in "Joyzeee"

Um, you DO know, do you not that Festivus is a made up holiday? Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a made up diety? Shhhhhhhhh, just do not tell Pastafari. I see that Pasta does have ONE good thing going for him in that he is a Carolina Gamecocks fan... "GO COCKS"! LOL

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614464 - 12/02/10 11:00 AM (66.16.66.62)

What's funny about the Atheist sign stating: "Celebrate reason," is that Atheism in principle destroys the philosophical framework for reason.

In other words, saying " Deny God and Celebrate Reason" ultimately leads to the denial or reason itself.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: debberleeme]
      #1614467 - 12/02/10 11:14 AM (66.16.66.62)

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They have every right to have that billboard just as the Christians have every right to have the billboard that they do.




No kidding. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

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If I do not like what it says I do not have to look at it.




Apply that principle to posts you don't like.

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Um, you DO know, do you not that Festivus is a made up holiday?






DON'T SPEAK TO ME IN THAT TONE OF VOICE, SISTER!

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614473 - 12/02/10 11:41 AM (71.63.67.136)

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They have every right to have that billboard just as the Christians have every right to have the billboard that they do.




No kidding. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

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If I do not like what it says I do not have to look at it.




Apply that principle to posts you don't like.

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Um, you DO know, do you not that Festivus is a made up holiday?






DON'T SPEAK TO ME IN THAT TONE OF VOICE, SISTER!


NOW you are getting nasty with me? Like my daddy used to say, "APOX ON YOU MISTER" Another reason why people do not like you Clovis and personally, I am beginning to not like you either. Even Bob who you slam as a horrible atheist treats me with respect. I simply cannot say the same for you.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: debberleeme]
      #1614474 - 12/02/10 11:41 AM (71.63.67.136)

P.S. to Clovis, I am NOT your sister!

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: debberleeme]
      #1614475 - 12/02/10 12:31 PM (138.162.8.57)

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They have every right to have that billboard just as the Christians have every right to have the billboard that they do.




No kidding. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

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If I do not like what it says I do not have to look at it.




Apply that principle to posts you don't like.

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Um, you DO know, do you not that Festivus is a made up holiday?






DON'T SPEAK TO ME IN THAT TONE OF VOICE, SISTER!


NOW you are getting nasty with me? Like my daddy used to say, "APOX ON YOU MISTER" Another reason why people do not like you Clovis and personally, I am beginning to not like you either. Even Bob who you slam as a horrible atheist treats me with respect. I simply cannot say the same for you.




Are you bi-polar, manic, or just [*d`oh!*] bat-[*d`oh!*] crazy?

You come in here getting sarcastic and condescending making sure that Clovis is "aware Festivus was a made up holiday." Yet when he responds with a picture of Frank Costanza, the maker-upper of Festivus, and a line delivered in pure Costanza style, you get uppity and defensive? What the [*d`oh!*] is your problem?

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: debberleeme]
      #1614498 - 12/02/10 03:41 PM (66.16.66.62)

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They have every right to have that billboard just as the Christians have every right to have the billboard that they do.




No kidding. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

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If I do not like what it says I do not have to look at it.




Apply that principle to posts you don't like.

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Um, you DO know, do you not that Festivus is a made up holiday?






DON'T SPEAK TO ME IN THAT TONE OF VOICE, SISTER!


NOW you are getting nasty with me? Like my daddy used to say, "APOX ON YOU MISTER" Another reason why people do not like you Clovis and personally, I am beginning to not like you either. Even Bob who you slam as a horrible atheist treats me with respect. I simply cannot say the same for you.




Deb,

I don't know what's got into you these past few days, but the last post was Seinfeld's Frank Costanza, who is the "author" of Festivus; I was imitating him as a joke.

As for your snide remarks? Revisit your last few posts.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614499 - 12/02/10 04:09 PM (71.63.67.136)

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They have every right to have that billboard just as the Christians have every right to have the billboard that they do.




No kidding. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

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If I do not like what it says I do not have to look at it.




Apply that principle to posts you don't like.

Quote:

Um, you DO know, do you not that Festivus is a made up holiday?






DON'T SPEAK TO ME IN THAT TONE OF VOICE, SISTER!


NOW you are getting nasty with me? Like my daddy used to say, "APOX ON YOU MISTER" Another reason why people do not like you Clovis and personally, I am beginning to not like you either. Even Bob who you slam as a horrible atheist treats me with respect. I simply cannot say the same for you.




Deb,

I don't know what's got into you these past few days, but the last post was Seinfeld's Frank Costanza, who is the "author" of Festivus; I was imitating him as a joke.

As for your snide remarks? Revisit your last few posts.


Ugg, sorry. I have no excuses.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614504 - 12/02/10 04:19 PM (96.228.232.140)

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There are no Militant Atheists Just People Who Hate the Meaning Behind the Holidays




A little problem with your sentence. The holidays are called that because they include The Winter Solstice, Hanukkah, Christmas, and Kwanza.

If you have a problem with people trying to take the meaning of Christ out of Christmas, then I would suggest that you say just that instead of using an all inclusive word.

Also, Festivus wasn't even mentioned in the article.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: gargayle]
      #1614508 - 12/02/10 04:31 PM (173.79.100.71)

I agree with you Gayle... Also anyone who feels that Christ is being left out of Christmas is free to ignore Christmas trees, decorations and gifts and celebrate Christmas through prayer and whatever else they feel would "put Christ back in Christmas".... IMHO, that slogan is just another attempt by militant christians to try to force their beliefs on others... never had an athiest tell me I shouldn't go to church.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: peabody]
      #1614519 - 12/02/10 05:31 PM (173.72.147.116)

It's past time to put the Saturn back in Saturnalia!

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: senor]
      #1614522 - 12/02/10 05:41 PM (209.125.98.130)

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It's past time to put the Saturn back in Saturnalia!




It's the reason for the season!



Edit to improve the humor

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: senor]
      #1614523 - 12/02/10 05:48 PM (71.161.56.83)

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I don't like that Christ has been taken out of Christmas, but at the same time I recognize that what I percieve as the spirit of Christmas resides in people of all faiths and non-faiths, which is good enough for me.

The only beliefs I have power over are my own beliefs, and if everyone, no matter what faith or non faith they are or arent, could somehow be comfortable with that and leave everyone else to theirs this world would be a much better place.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: john1315]
      #1614525 - 12/02/10 05:53 PM (209.125.98.130)

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The only beliefs I have power over are my own beliefs, and if everyone, no matter what faith or non faith they are or arent, could somehow be comfortable with that and leave everyone else to theirs this world would be a much better place.




True dat.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: gargayle]
      #1614549 - 12/02/10 08:26 PM (173.53.25.166)

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There are no Militant Atheists Just People Who Hate the Meaning Behind the Holidays




A little problem with your sentence. The holidays are called that because they include The Winter Solstice, Hanukkah, Christmas, and Kwanza.

If you have a problem with people trying to take the meaning of Christ out of Christmas, then I would suggest that you say just that instead of using an all inclusive word.

Also, Festivus wasn't even mentioned in the article.




Holiday- Holy Day.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: True_Bob]
      #1614561 - 12/02/10 10:15 PM (71.63.67.136)

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The only beliefs I have power over are my own beliefs, and if everyone, no matter what faith or non faith they are or arent, could somehow be comfortable with that and leave everyone else to theirs this world would be a much better place.




True dat.


I agree with this too but if that did happen then there would be no reason for the religion forum...just sayin'

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: debberleeme]
      #1614566 - 12/03/10 06:24 AM (24.254.92.113)

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The only beliefs I have power over are my own beliefs, and if everyone, no matter what faith or non faith they are or arent, could somehow be comfortable with that and leave everyone else to theirs this world would be a much better place.




True dat.


I agree with this too but if that did happen then there would be no reason for the religion forum...just sayin'



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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614569 - 12/03/10 06:51 AM (96.228.232.140)

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A little problem with your sentence. The holidays are called that because they include The Winter Solstice, Hanukkah, Christmas, and Kwanza.

If you have a problem with people trying to take the meaning of Christ out of Christmas, then I would suggest that you say just that instead of using an all inclusive word.

Also, Festivus wasn't even mentioned in the article.




Holiday- Holy Day.




What exactly do you think the holidays I mentioned are? Christmas isn't the only "holy day" in December. If you mean Christmas, than say it. Christians do not own December or the terms "holiday" or "holy days".

Say what you mean to say.

And on that happy note, I will say that I agree with what John posted and wish you the seasons greetings.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: gargayle]
      #1614580 - 12/03/10 07:48 AM (173.53.25.166)

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A little problem with your sentence. The holidays are called that because they include The Winter Solstice, Hanukkah, Christmas, and Kwanza.

If you have a problem with people trying to take the meaning of Christ out of Christmas, then I would suggest that you say just that instead of using an all inclusive word.

Also, Festivus wasn't even mentioned in the article.




Holiday- Holy Day.




What exactly do you think the holidays I mentioned are? Christmas isn't the only "holy day" in December. If you mean Christmas, than say it. Christians do not own December or the terms "holiday" or "holy days".

Say what you mean to say.

And on that happy note, I will say that I agree with what John posted and wish you the seasons greetings.




What do you think is meant by the attack on Christianity's holiday? Do you think the other religious holidays are immune from the attempt at draining them of their transcendent meaning? They are not. The sign in question is all about devaluing the sacred regardless of the creed.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614624 - 12/03/10 09:24 AM (96.228.232.140)

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What do you think is meant by the attack on Christianity's holiday?




I didn't see it as an attack. I saw it as a group of people supporting what they believe, like Christians wearing buttons saying "He is the reason for the season". May not be what you want to see or read, but they have a right to express just like you do. And since there was a counter sign posted, I'd say they did just that.

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Do you think the other religious holidays are immune from the attempt at draining them of their transcendent meaning?




All religions have a right to express their meanings as much as those who do not believe have the right to express that they don't. They can only be drained, as you call it, if those who believe no longer believe.


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The sign in question is all about devaluing the sacred regardless of the creed.




No, you read it as such. The sign in question expressed an opinion from Atheists, just as the counter sign expressed the Christian point of view.

Christians are not oppressed in this country. No one is stopping them from believing what the want and Christmas is still being celebrated.

You are making, as Shakespeare so eloquently put it, much ado about nothing.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: gargayle]
      #1614648 - 12/03/10 09:57 AM (66.16.66.62)

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What do you think is meant by the attack on Christianity's holiday?


I didn't see it as an attack. I saw it as a group of people supporting what they believe.




You didn't see it as an attack?

Look again:



Calling someone's faith a myth (a lie) is an explicit attack. Why you missed that is beyond me.

Do you see Christians putting up Billboards saying "Be a real Jew. Accept Jesus' words as true," during Hanukkah?

Do you see Muslims putting up billboards during Christmas season saying, "Christmas is all about profit. Come to Allah hear the True Prophet."

All the other religious groups in this country have learned to play nice. I think the militant atheists need to learn this lesson.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614649 - 12/03/10 09:59 AM (69.138.169.50)

Insulting, yes. Attack, no.

/tired of incendiary commentary

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: gargayle]
      #1614661 - 12/03/10 10:44 AM (66.16.66.62)

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All religions have a right to express their meanings as much as those who do not believe have the right to express that they don't.




The issue was never about freedom of speech, I don't know why you're speaking of peoples rights. I'm speaking of respect.

Atheists deny the existence of God. We get that.

Christians deny Muhammad is God's greatest prophet.

Protestants deny the Pope is Christ's Vicar on earth.

Hindu's deny Buddha was the enlightened one.

Everybody denies some "belief" as false.

There are different opinions about the fundamental reality. What is important in the pursuit of truth is respect. (I bet you're thinking 'Clovis you don't respect atheists,' I've mirrored Bob and Pasta's antics for some time to prove a point. I realize that the worst case scenario would be that people would just tune as all out. I can live with that. The best case scenario is that they'd realize they needed to tone down their rhetoric. But let me make something clear.

I think atheism (those who DENY the existence of God, the soul, the supernatural dimension, the rational agent the called us into being) is the least reasonable position a person can hold. But I don't hate atheists anymore than I hate Aids victims. I think atheism is evil as I think Aids is evil. Those infected are victims, in my opinion.
It's easy to demonstrate why AIDS is evil. It's tricky to convince people why an idea is evil.

In an ideal situation, we can speak objectively about the ideas without all of the half-truths, rationalizations, emotional outbursts and gross disrespect. Few people try to make that world a reality. The atheists that come to this religion forum to vent their frustrations on religion have no clue how pointless and futile their methods of engaging religious people truly are. This is why I've said all along they are ideologues.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614667 - 12/03/10 10:51 AM (69.138.169.50)

An ideal situation, for me at least, is when we get to a point where we don't give a s*** about who believes what and just accept each other for who they are (with some obvious exceptions like pedophiles, etc.).

If a person says they're going to pray for me, for whatever reason, then the sentiment is what I care about. An atheist that gets their panties in a twist over that is thin-skinned and is missing the intended verbal greeting card.

If a person says they don't believe in a supernatural entity, that's cool too. A theist who takes it upon themselves to "show the light" to that person is over stepping their boundaries.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: tayker]
      #1614672 - 12/03/10 10:54 AM (66.16.66.62)

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Insulting, yes. Attack, no.

/tired of incendiary commentary




I understand your frustration Tayker. I respectfully disagree with your judgment on this subject.

"Insult" an "assault" derive from the same term. Saying it's an insult but not an attack seems counter-intuitive to me.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614678 - 12/03/10 11:03 AM (69.138.169.50)

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Insulting, yes. Attack, no.

/tired of incendiary commentary




I understand your frustration Tayker. I respectfully disagree with your judgment on this subject.

"Insult" an "assault" derive from the same term. Saying it's an insult but not an attack seems counter-intuitive to me.



From your friendly Internethood dictionary:

1. a sudden, violent attack; onslaught: an assault on tradition.
2. Law . an unlawful physical attack upon another; an attempt or offer to do violence to another, with or without battery, as by holding a stone or club in a threatening manner.
3. Military . the stage of close combat in an attack.
4. rape1 .

?verb (used with object)
5.
to make an assault upon; attack; assail.

That billboard didn't live up to the definition. However, it's clearly insulting.

in?sult?ing ?adjective
giving or causing insult; characterized by affronting rudeness, insolence, etc.

Edit:
They need to fix the scripting errors that have plagued this site for the last 2 years.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: tayker]
      #1614682 - 12/03/10 11:06 AM (66.16.66.62)

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An ideal situation, for me at least, is when we get to a point where we don't give a s*** about who believes what and just accept each other for who they are (with some obvious exceptions like pedophiles, etc.).

If a person says they're going to pray for me, for whatever reason, then the sentiment is what I care about. An atheist that gets their panties in a twist over that is thin-skinned and is missing the intended verbal greeting card.

If a person says they don't believe in a supernatural entity, that's cool too. A theist who takes it upon themselves to "show the light" to that person is over stepping their boundaries.




I agree with you 100%.

I would add that if people with conflicting views want to discuss their differences that they do so with respect for each others point of view.

All too often the verbal expressions that we use misrespresent the mental activity we're trying to share, which leads to misunderstandings and disagreements. This, I think, is the basis for meaningful discussion.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614686 - 12/03/10 11:14 AM (69.138.169.50)

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I would add that if people with conflicting views want to discuss their differences that they do so with respect for each others point of view.

All too often the verbal expressions that we use misrespresent the mental activity we're trying to share, which leads to misunderstandings and disagreements. This, I think, is the basis for meaningful discussion.



I agree, but with a caveat. To me religious discussions are more for enlightening people with what they don't know about what the other believes.

That being said, a slip of the tongue is seen as a slight by a thin-skinned person, which devolves a conversation.

Also, some people will use such discussions in an attempt to convert, whether it's theism or atheism. I understand some people believe within their hearts that their faith teaches them to "lead" the unguided. However, in a multi-cultural society a person needs to learn their boundaries. There was a good biblical quote about boundaries but I can't find it anymore. It basically said that said person wasn't going to hell.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: tayker]
      #1614691 - 12/03/10 11:19 AM (66.16.66.62)

I intentionally called it an attack, because its purpose is to affect religion harmfully. This is the definition of attack.

To say a religious teaching is a lie is to affect harm on the doctrine.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614702 - 12/03/10 11:32 AM (69.138.169.50)

Quote:

I intentionally called it an attack, because its purpose is to affect religion harmfully. This is the definition of attack.

To say a religious teaching is a lie is to affect harm on the doctrine.



I don't see it as an attack because religion has permeated a good chunk of our lives, so, looking at the bigger picture, that billboard is a gnat of annoyance on the world of religion. To see religion as a small frail child that's about to be extinct shows the small view one has.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: tayker]
      #1614710 - 12/03/10 11:44 AM (66.16.66.62)

Quote:

Quote:

I intentionally called it an attack, because its purpose is to affect religion harmfully. This is the definition of attack.

To say a religious teaching is a lie is to affect harm on the doctrine.



I don't see it as an attack because religion has permeated a good chunk of our lives, so, looking at the bigger picture, that billboard is a gnat of annoyance on the world of religion. To see religion as a small frail child that's about to be extinct shows the small view one has.




Your judgment about the billboard's affect may be true, but my statement is not the affected outcome of the atheist billboard's message on beliefs of religious people per se, but the basic nature of the message in the Billboard itself.

It is calling Christianity a lie. Yes it's insulting Christians, but it's also an informal attack on the Christian religion itself.

I won't belabor the point further.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614713 - 12/03/10 11:50 AM (69.138.169.50)

1 sign is going to be seen by how many of the billions of Christians?

Realistically, how many will it get to rethink their faith?

IRT question #1, a barely noticeable fraction.
IRT question #2, none. Most Christians I know believe in a God and will continue to believe. Now whether they practice their faith's teachings is another topic entirely. Most atheists and agnostics I've known have been that way since their early ages, from teens to early/mid-twenties. With that being said, I could argue that it's atheists standing up to religious entities that try to oppress them.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: Clovis]
      #1614715 - 12/03/10 11:50 AM (71.63.67.136)

"Calling someone's faith a myth (a lie) is an explicit attack."


I do agree with you on this Clovis.

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Re: Festivus? Taking Christ out of Christmas [Re: debberleeme]
      #1614718 - 12/03/10 11:56 AM (63.85.175.222)

On the topic of something being an attack, I think the point some folks try to make is the fact that we live in a country where we'll not be put to death for our religous beliefs. There are many places in the world where the government does not view that particular freedom very favorably and people die because of their religous convictions. I'd like to say that my resolve would be strong enough in my faith that I would rather die than reject God but thankfully I'll never be put in that situation. To me, to have some atheist say to me, "what you believe in is a joke," and call it an attack (or a persecution) cheapins what my brothers in other parts fo teh world have to go threw to profess their faith.

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