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In another forum, you stated " you didn't care what gays do " . If that were the truth, why did you create this forum???
Your brand of religion is about as loose as the other anti-gay crowd. It's full of half truths and facts, while exempt of original thought or reality. Gays have groups who represent their ideals as do heterosexuals. It seems heterosexuals are ok with all their groups or free to deny theirs while the same standard isn't applied to gays. Can you tell me why the double standard?
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GOOD ARTICLE....
No it wasn't...it is full of false statements. Do you know any gay families? Do you know any children that are being raised by gays or lesbians?
I know children raised by heterosexuals that exemplify those traits in that fallacious commentary.
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In another forum, you stated " you didn't care what gays do " . If that were the truth, why did you create this forum???
Hey Mr. Spin Doctor, What was ment by that is that I don't really care what they do in private....stop spinning.
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Can you tell me why the double standard?
As I've stated before We or I should say I find it immoral and against what my beliefs are. That being said I dont find it any worse or less-worse than Drug abuse alcohol abuse, or adultrey or any other sin there is. NO I DONT NO PERSONALLY HATE GAY'S. but rather I hate the sins and find what they do to be totally against what I believe. I do not like the way homosexuality is forced down our throats especially when you are against it.
The way you defend homosexuals on here must mean you are gay....I don't know Im just assuming.
If you have been offended by what I say....Sorry That wasn't my intent...but I shall not feel guilty or wrong about my statements.
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TMH30
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GOOD ARTICLE....
No it wasn't...it is full of false statements. Do you know any gay families? Do you know any children that are being raised by gays or lesbians?
I know children raised by heterosexuals that exemplify those traits in that fallacious commentary.
That's why this is a public form....I don't expect everyone to agree it would be pretty boreing if everyone did.
Yes I work in a place where there are 2 homosexual males, I have known them professionally for 7 years.....they have a child.
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Children raised in homes with parents of the same sex are more likely to be promiscuous than kids in straight homes? Really? I suppose that would be because homosexuals are unable to engage in monogomous relationships, right? No. I remember one girl from high school who was raised by her mother, who should have had a revolving door installed in the house to accommodate all her men. Great role model, huh? Her daughter didn't turn out so well, and you talk about promiscuous. As long as kids have good role models to look up to, shouldn't matter if they're gay or straight.
And I read the following quote, and thought wtf?
"Wanting to see what the people of RISCLEE were saying about us, I clicked on the link and was confronted with sickening hard-core homosexual pornography. Before shutting it down, I clicked on another link hoping to find some sort of news story. The same warped scenario confronted me. I shut down the computer in disgust and revulsion."
Really? Revolted, huh? I guess upstanding citizens and good parents all around never look at porn. That's just disgusting.
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"Just over a year ago, Joy Junction, the homeless shelter I founded and direct, declined an approximate $1,200 gift from a local homosexual group that raised the funds from a drag show. In so doing, we attracted a lot of negative comments.
It is this core set of beliefs that undergirds the success of every faith-based ministry in America. The needy men, women and families who crowd into rescue missions nationwide know that drugs, alcohol, illicit sex, lying and other life controlling behaviors have helped them become homeless"
Yeah. So the Joy Junction was founded with the purpose of aiding a bunch of people who became homeless because they pretty much screwed up on their precious basic Christian principles, but they won't accept money from another group who also screwed up on the basic Christian principles? Makes no sense.
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Talk about a biased article.
The guy has experience with one group and assumes that the one group is representitve of all homosexuality. Following that logic then all male children with the name Menendez should be immediately incarcerated. I am so glad that all people don't think like that.
I happen to know (and am indeed friends with) several homosexuals (singles and couples, with and without kids). Isn't it amazing that I can say that? 20 years ago one might have "known" of 1 or 2. Now one knows several.
I know their kids. Without fail these kids are well adjusted. Do I think that being the child of a homosexual couple will affect them sexually? I suppose it is possible, much in the same way it is possibe for a child of a couple of lawyers to become a lawyer.
I was raised by heterosexual parents. If you think that stopped me from doing some serious sexual experimentation then you would be mistaken. I am married now, to a member of the opposite sex and we have two children. We love each other very much and demonstrate that love all the time. Yet my children may still turn out to be gay....because I wont teach them it is wrong.
And I guess that last sentence says it all!
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I am married now, to a member of the opposite sex and we have two children. We love each other very much and demonstrate that love all the time. Yet my children may still turn out to be gay....because I wont teach them it is wrong.
POV,
just wanted to add something in here...even if you did teach your children that homosexuality was wrong, one or the other, or both may still be gay.
I grew up in a christian home with heterosexual parents. I have a brother that is 3 years younger than I. We were all very active in sports. My dad played, and actually still plays league softball. We all play tennis. My brother plays basketball. Not that anyone cares about that...the point is, there was never any influence in my life to be gay. If I ever was in contact with someone that was gay, I never knew it until I was in highschool, my junior or senior year. But, I knew that I was attracted to men. Oh, I had girlfriends growing up, even got married in 1986 (now divorced). But I always knew that I was gay, at least when I was old enough to know what being gay was.
I went to Pensacola Christian Highschool, and to Pensacola Christian College...in no other than Pensacola, FL.
The point I'm trying to get across is that being gay is who you are, not a lifestyle that you choose. If anything, the choice is to be who you are and to realize that even God has a plan for you. God gives us all talents, it's what we do with them that matters.
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Ok, so 12 pages on the open forum on this topic are not enough for you?
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why does it bother you?
so don't read it then....problem solved. 
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The point I'm trying to get across is that being gay is who you are, not a lifestyle that you choose
I say this with all due respect......I don't buy that, there is no evidence of that.
I believe it is a choice one makes in thier life.
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Where's the proof that it's a choice, then?
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Really? Revolted, huh? I guess upstanding citizens and good parents all around never look at porn. That's just disgusting.
I believe you are missing the point.
I to agree with you that there is plenty of disgusting hetrosexual people in this world.
The point is the guy tried to click on a link about RISCLEE and he was battered with hard core homosexual porno links.
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TMH30
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Where's the proof that it's a choice, then?
The proof that I think it's a choice is that there is NO PROOF that it is not.
Listen we could go back and forth about this all day long......you may believe what you want and I will believe what I want.
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True. Cause there's no proof either way, just maybe what people have told us of their own experiences.
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just maybe what people have told us of their own experiences.
Well while I will admit experiences can be some of the best evidence, there are also those who are "confused" as to who they are.
They don't know if it's a choice or not. 
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Whats it matter if they choose it or not....
Thats there affair. We should let them handle it in whatever way they wish, If they make a choice...its theres to make....if they say they had no choice, that thats just who they are....well...I cant help that either...
They just are......choice or not......we arn't going to change it.
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Whats it matter if they choose it or not....
Because it could open doors.....for laws that I dont believe are needed. Trust me if it is ever proven to be a "gene" then I will take back my comments.
These are just my opinions.....nothing more than that.
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just maybe what people have told us of their own experiences.
Well while I will admit experiences can be some of the best evidence, there are also those who are "confused" as to who they are.
They don't know if it's a choice or not.
Look at the other side, what is it that makes a person heterosexual or homosexual? Most of us have been taught that heterosexuality is the norm. But for those that are gay, how do they cope with being gay, but yet are being told that being heterosexual is the only right alternative.
This in itself is very confusing. What is one to do? I think that is the cause for those who are "sexually confused".
Homosexuality has been around since early beginnings of time. It is nothing new.
I know that I didn't just one day decide that I was going to experiment by having sex with men. I was always sexually attracted to men. Does that mean I can't find a woman attractive? No...but it's not a sexual attraction.
I'm not going to beat myself with a stick all my life wondering why God created me this way. I accept it and move on. It's getting to that point that can be most difficult.
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The point I'm trying to get across is that being gay is who you are, not a lifestyle that you choose. If anything, the choice is to be who you are and to realize that even God has a plan for you. God gives us all talents, it's what we do with them that matters.
I guess i didnt really make my point correctly. We both mean the same things, you just said it better than i did.
I know that my children may grow up and discover that they are gay. I was trying to say that I won't tell them that being Gay is wrong because I dont beleive it is..
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The point I'm trying to get across is that being gay is who you are, not a lifestyle that you choose. If anything, the choice is to be who you are and to realize that even God has a plan for you. God gives us all talents, it's what we do with them that matters.
Exactly! I have family members who are gay. I love them dearly. They did not wake up one day and say "Hey - I think I'll be gay". They did not get "recruted" as some people seem to think happens. They were just born that way... thats right folks - God gave them that gift. They now have scientific proof that it is a defect in the genes that determines these things....
By the way... there were homosexuals long before there were Christians.
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God gave them that gift.
Are you serious?
Homosexuality is a gift from GOD?
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If I am to understand, we are made in God's image, therefore all that we are, is a gift from him... you hair color, you eye color, any disability.... These are all gifts.... If we are of God then all things we are, is the same of God.
Therefore, it stands to reason that if you are gay, it is a gift.
You can not argue that we are made in his image and then pick apart the things you like or don't and say they are from God or not. We are either made in his image (in which case he is in part homosexual) or we are not.... You can not play the pick and choose game.
So I put this to you: If we are made of God's image then God has some part of homosexuality in him. If this is not true then we were not made in his image and therefore - where did we come from?
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So I put this to you: If we are made of God's image then God has some part of homosexuality in him.
I could agree with alomost everything you have said, until I read this.
GOD did not in any way have homosexuality in him.
If you ask why....All I can tell you is to read the bible front to back and you will understand.
IM serious, not trying to be a smart azz, It can tell you alot better than I can especially because my views are opposed on here.
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I have read the Bible - cover to cover.. several times as a matter of fact. I know you are serious and so am I.
God made the heavens and the earth and everything in between. He even created good and evil (casting Lucifer out of heaven.) So - It stand to reason, that all things in this world are of God. All good, all bad, men, plants, animals, science and religion, art, math, mountains, oceans, rivers, all thoughts, words and deeds..... an this must include all types of sexuality as well.
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an this must include all types of sexuality as well.
This is where we will have to agree to dis-agree... 
To me by that statement then GOD would have created all types of deviant sexual behavior, including hetrosexuals not just homosexual behavior. He would have created Sin in general, and Sin comes from the Devil not GOD.
GOD, has created everything, but has also given us a free will to do as we please. We always tend to do what feels good or what we think is the right thing to do....but it is always according to man, not GOD.
GOD has also created the coca plant and the marijuana plant, but that does not mean we should snort it or smoke it.
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To me by that statement then GOD would have created all types of deviant sexual behavior, including hetrosexuals not just homosexual behavior. He would have created Sin in general, and Sin comes from the Devil not GOD.
But see - that is my point. He created sin. He also created Satan... therefore all things are of God. Yes - we were given free will. We are also here to love, not to judge. That is God's job and I'm not gonna take it away from him. I understand this is something that we see different and I respect that. I do understand your point. And I think you are right. This is something where we can agree to disagree.
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But, you failed to state the word " private ". Like Clinton, Bush and Rumsfeld, you forgot the mind had a thought you didn't want the mouth to say but the mouth spoke the truth.
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And, who was at fault for it? The gay community has no authority to deny access to the Web anymore than straights do. But, every porn gay site is the fault of all gay society!
I go to gay sites and am often " bombarded " with heterosexual porn sites. I put the arrow on the little box in the upper right corner. And, guess what, they are not seen by me. But, never once have I cried to heterosexuals about their perverted lifestyles 
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Would that be like knowing two black people in the 60's?
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But, you failed to state the word " private ". Like Clinton, Bush and Rumsfeld, you forgot the mind had a thought you didn't want the mouth to say but the mouth spoke the truth.
Yup......you caught me.
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Would that be like knowing two black people in the 60's?
What?????
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Why are you such an angry gay person?
I thought you were supposed to be happy if you were gay?
It's not my fault you are the way you are, dont blame me.
perhaps you are the homophobic one, maybe because you do not understand why you are gay. and thats why you are so full of anger
Be well, I will pray for you.
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Where is the proof its now??? What happened to all of the hub-bub about the "Gay Gene", it went no where and proved nothing.
There are however, numbers of documented cases of environmental factors influencing ones inclination towards the same sex. Environmental factors include repeated rejection by the opposite sex, low self esteem, and growing up in that type of environment.
As far as choice in the matter goes, I know a couple of "bi-sexual" women and a lesbian who said it wasn't that they didn't like men or find them attractive, but just liked women better, mainly because they were more caring emotionally and sexually. The one went as far to say that she rarely had an orgasm when being with a man, usually because most guys are just worried about themselves, but the first time she was with a woman, she had numerous orgasms, because the woman was more attentive and knew what made her feel good. I am not saying that is the case for all women, but at least some.
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Me " angry "?
I don't find anything in here to anger me. I am curious that so many straight folks have an opinion set in stone on an issue they claim they are not but have more knowledge than a gay person who has lived the life.
If you can't drive a truck with 18 wheels, you can't drive a truck with 18 wheels without driving the truck at some time. You get it?
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