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Fade2Black
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King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center
      #1045169 - 12/28/06 10:34 PM (69.19.14.42)

Looks like King George is moving closer to the 21st century.



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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1045174 - 12/28/06 10:45 PM (69.19.14.42)

The Sign is located next to the SHEETZ on 301 & Owens Road near the Harry Nice Bridge. There is another sign further south which can be view on 301 also before you get to Danube Road.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1045178 - 12/28/06 10:53 PM (216.36.27.170)

2008!!! King George isn't moving into the 21st century any time soon. Can't wait for someone to blame the rails to trails on this shopping center being built. Oh wait, it may not, it's probably to close to a cemetary.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Moving]
      #1045187 - 12/28/06 11:22 PM (71.240.230.130)

As I said............ rt 301 will come to life soon.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: oisin]
      #1045207 - 12/29/06 12:22 AM (69.19.14.42)

I did some online research and this is what I found out so far.

The phone number is associated with
Zeaser, John
Z Commerical
2104 Bell Tower Dr
Crownsville, MD 21032-2236
(410) 451-4931

A 500,000 square foot shopping center is defined as a “Regional Center” which is built around one or two department stores, with an average total GFA of 500,000 square feet, but may range from 250,000 to 900,000 square feet.

Stores that you may typically find in a Regional Center are:
Burlington Coat Factory; Marshall’s; Movie Theater; Burger King; Claire’s Boutique; Foot Locker; Kay-Bee Toys; Ruby Tuesday; Sears; Giant; Boston Market; Mattress Discounters; Radio Shack; Starbucks; Rite-Aid Pharmacy; Best Buy; Old Navy; Linens 'n Things; Bed Bath and Beyond; TGIFridays; Olive Garden; JCPenney

It is also possible to have stores like Wal-Mart; Target; Home Depot & Lowes in a Regional Center.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Moving]
      #1045209 - 12/29/06 12:24 AM (69.19.14.42)

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2008!!! King George isn't moving into the 21st century any time soon. Can't wait for someone to blame the rails to trails on this shopping center being built. Oh wait, it may not, it's probably to close to a cemetary.




While I agree that 2008 is not right around the corner. In order for them to have an Opening of 2008 they would need to start breaking ground within the next couple of months.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1046084 - 01/01/07 03:51 PM (71.161.58.185)

From what I have heard Walmart will be going into a center near sheetz, I was under the impression that the sheetz they were discussing was the one up by 301 and rt 3 but could be wrong! I hope this town doesn't build up too quickly, my home town was like this where you didn't have all the huge stores, and it's amazing how the more stores come in the more the quality of living/people go down. Here's hoping for a positive change in King George without all the extra problems!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1046167 - 01/01/07 09:40 PM (71.161.41.142)

Don' t you think that it is time for people living in King George to be able to shop and dine in a good restaurant without driving 30 miles to get it?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Credo11347]
      #1046218 - 01/01/07 11:20 PM (66.82.9.55)

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From what I have heard Walmart will be going into a center near sheetz, I was under the impression that the sheetz they were discussing was the one up by 301 and rt 3 but could be wrong! I hope this town doesn't build up too quickly, my home town was like this where you didn't have all the huge stores, and it's amazing how the more stores come in the more the quality of living/people go down. Here's hoping for a positive change in King George without all the extra problems!




The one I am talking about on this post is the area near the Harry Nice bridge and Dalhgren Naval base. I went past there today... two huge blue signs are present still.

I too hope the quality of living does not go down either.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: ILoveKG]
      #1046228 - 01/01/07 11:42 PM (66.82.9.55)

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Don' t you think that it is time for people living in King George to be able to shop and dine in a good restaurant without driving 30 miles to get it?




Yes I do as well as several other people I have talked to.

If you are a long time resident and don't want KG to change... I have to sadly say it is too late. Once the Article about KG being one of the fastest developing counties in Virginia was in the Washington Post... well the "developer" Genie was out of the bottle.

I also think that a big picture commerical/retail plan needs to be develop by the county planning group. That way it is not a hodge podge like they have up in Waldorf Maryland or parts of Fredricksburg. Central Park is in my opinion a perfect example of how NOT to plan. If you don't believe me then Try telling one of your friends directions to a place in there... It's like playing Pictionary with a blindfold on. Once you get there just pray that you don't get in an accident.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1046236 - 01/02/07 12:05 AM (66.82.9.55)

Using Google Earth I was looking at what will possibly be this retail area. Then later on in the day while I was out and about. I noticed that the Dalhgren Railroad Heritage Trail will END here... right next to the Sheetz. This is also another win for the trail since this will make a parking area at the other head of the trail.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1046239 - 01/02/07 12:23 AM (70.104.227.132)

Think outside the box.........

Why just one commercial development along that stretch of RT 301? There's more......


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: oisin]
      #1046242 - 01/02/07 12:27 AM (66.82.9.55)

Oh I am sure there will be way more...

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1046243 - 01/02/07 12:29 AM (66.82.9.55)

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Using Google Earth I was looking at what will possibly be this retail area. Then later on in the day while I was out and about. I noticed that the Dalhgren Railroad Heritage Trail will END here... right next to the Sheetz. This is also another win for the trail since this will make a parking area at the other head of the trail.






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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1046244 - 01/02/07 12:31 AM (70.104.227.132)

Could be the second site is outside your area but maybe close.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: oisin]
      #1046334 - 01/02/07 09:58 AM (71.168.0.24)

The section of railroad behind the commercial land was sold off many years ago the trail will stop at the other end of this property not at Sheetz

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: ILoveKG]
      #1046641 - 01/02/07 11:03 PM (69.19.14.41)

That might be true I was just pointing out the visible rail area goes between the property and the new housing area.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1057970 - 01/31/07 01:14 AM (66.82.9.87)

Saw survey crews near the road the past couple of days. I contacted County planners requesting information and never heard anything back.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1062964 - 02/08/07 09:49 PM (71.161.58.219)

Target is going in near the bridge. Walmart is going by the WAWA near rt 3 and 301 along with a Home Depot or Lowes...

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Credo11347]
      #1062968 - 02/08/07 09:53 PM (162.83.98.72)

Better wait for better info.......

Edited by oisin (02/08/07 09:55 PM)


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Credo11347]
      #1062994 - 02/09/07 06:58 AM (69.19.14.31)

That's the opposite of what I heard. Where did you hear that from?? I think there would be more info on this if it were true. I would also have to think many a folk around here would be in quite the uproar if KG was getting both a Wally World & Targhey here......

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: kgmome3]
      #1063263 - 02/09/07 12:49 PM (72.73.32.233)

I am going to King George Chamber of Commerce meeting on Monday. I hope to get some more information. I have a tax office RT3, and would love to get a second one on 301.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: rossduck]
      #1095026 - 04/05/07 11:05 PM (69.19.14.26)

Looks like a Wal-Mart is coming to Dahlgren within a year. I think it location will be here at the KG Gateway.

http://fredericksburg.com/News/chat3/Archive?chat_id=91

The talk is that a Northern Va Developer is behind this retail property.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: ILoveKG]
      #1095425 - 04/06/07 04:24 PM (69.72.101.104)

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The section of railroad behind the commercial land was sold off many years ago the trail will stop at the other end of this property not at Sheetz




What a shame... ILoveKG and so many others grasping at desparate straws they think will stop the DRHT. Their self-delusion is kind of sad. It's reminiscent of people who used to say "computers will never become popular" or "a horseless carriage! Imagine such a thing".

The trail currently does stop before the retail center. But saying that it "will stop" at the other end of the property presumes that nothing changes. There is a very good chance that this trail will eventually connect with the retail center. All it takes is time and vision. Too many opponents lack vision and see things as they are and not as they could be. I remember a day when many of them were saying that this trail would "never happen". But they were wrong. And will continue to be.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: familylew]
      #1151762 - 08/10/07 10:02 PM (71.161.57.164)

Holy forum digging Batman!!

Any news on this? Last I heard they didn't actually have any Big Box stores coming in and if they didn't then they would build it up anyway and solicit.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Credo11347]
      #1151820 - 08/10/07 11:45 PM (74.214.44.9)

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From what I have heard Walmart will be going into a center near sheetz, I was under the impression that the sheetz they were discussing was the one up by 301 and rt 3 but could be wrong! I hope this town doesn't build up too quickly, my home town was like this where you didn't have all the huge stores, and it's amazing how the more stores come in the more the quality of living/people go down. Here's hoping for a positive change in King George without all the extra problems!




I get this "quality of living" thing backwards from everyone else just about every time.

To me, quality of living is to be able to _walk_ or _drive a few minutes_ to get done whatever I want to do, not jump in the car and drive 45 minutes each way for something.

Here's a comedy of errors that actually happened to illustrate this point:

I was leaving for a trip in my Jeep, but needed to change the rear brakes. These were drum brakes, so I stopped at NAPA on 206 and got a set. Got home, jacked up the Jeep, tore the old brakes off, and... the brakes I got would not fit. Box said they should, but they didn't.

Now, its after 6:00, so NAPA is closed. Drive my other car 1 hr round trip to Pep Boys and get their best brakes. Get home, start installing, and there's 2 left side brakes in the box.

Drive 1 hr round trip back to Pep Boys, exchange brake shoes, except that they don't have the premium brakes in that size again. Settle for the run-of-the-mill brakes. Get home, finally get 'em on.

Adjust 'em all up, and... then I have to start doing the other chores for the trip - packing, washing everything first, etc.

Get the trip started, OK, but tired as H 'cuz of being up 'til 1:00 AM doing all the other stuff.

Now, if there'd been an auto parts store across the street, or even 1 mile down the road... that'd have been a lot easier. That'd have been "quality of life."

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: rally2xs]
      #1151850 - 08/11/07 01:18 AM (71.168.1.187)

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Now, if there'd been an auto parts store across the street, or even 1 mile down the road... that'd have been a lot easier. That'd have been "quality of life."




Just to play devils advocate....Did you drive around to see what was available as in shopping/services before moving here???? Not a dig.....just an observation...


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CaptainCharles]
      #1151878 - 08/11/07 06:20 AM (74.214.44.9)

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Quote:

Now, if there'd been an auto parts store across the street, or even 1 mile down the road... that'd have been a lot easier. That'd have been "quality of life."




Just to play devils advocate....Did you drive around to see what was available as in shopping/services before moving here???? Not a dig.....just an observation...




Well, yeah. The thing is, I work at Dahgren, so I thought that 17 miles to work and 20 miles to town was just the least of the evils I could have perpetrated on myself.

I wouldn't have minded living in F'burg, but the $$$ for housing there would have impacted my lifestyle. The house I live in is for keeping the rain off, storing my "stuff", and enabling my ham radio hobby. IOW, its not some kinda showcase. Sooo... living in F'burg would have meant paying "showcase" prices just to get something to keep the rain off, and I'd have been house poor and unable to pursue my other hobbies. I have expensive hobbies - travel hobbies, besides the ham radio thing. I'm not happy being incarcerated in a real estate money sink.

So, I bought this place for $85,250 in 1996. It has 1 acre (hello, antenna farm), and enough sq. footage to store my "stuff". Its just out in the middle of nowhere, and nonsense as described in my last post occurs.

I have a general area in Indianapolis targeted for retirement. I'd be able to walk to grocery, movies, and gym, at least in the summer. Doing it in the winter probably means slipping on the ice and breaking something. But that's more my speed, and the price on the whole thing will likely come in at $200K for a place a lot bigger than I have now - 2.67 acres in the city for $22K is a reality there.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: rally2xs]
      #1151879 - 08/11/07 06:51 AM (72.209.240.42)

Sounds like you made a smart move there, rally.
Damn.
Ham radio AND road rallies.
I consider both of those to be cool, though I do neither.
How tall is that antennae?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Burqajoint]
      #1151932 - 08/11/07 08:21 AM (74.214.44.9)

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Sounds like you made a smart move there, rally.
Damn.
Ham radio AND road rallies.
I consider both of those to be cool, though I do neither.
How tall is that antennae?




60 ft. telescoping tower that telescopes to 33 ft, where it is most of the time. In that position, if its ever knocked down by wind, that probably means that the rest of the house has been knocked over as well, since its _really_ strong at the height. And, its anchored in 9 1/2 tons of concrete - a 4' x 4' x 6' foundation.

Road rallying is just fun. Additionally, you get to see lots of backroads. Scenery is generally beautiful. I do it all over the nation, so I get situations like coming over a rise in N. Dakota and finding a sea of yellow crops on one side of the road, and a sea of purple crops on the other side of the road, absolutely beautiful. Didn't know what they were - asked a local - the yellow was mustard, the purple was flax. Never saw either before. Cool.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Burqajoint]
      #1151949 - 08/11/07 08:57 AM (74.214.44.9)

Quote:

Sounds like you made a smart move there, rally.
Damn.
Ham radio AND road rallies.
I consider both of those to be cool, though I do neither.
How tall is that antennae?




And, BTW, if you want to do something about that not running rallies thing, maybe we could get together and you could navigate for me in some local rallies after I get back from the middle east next year. Get familiar with it, anyway, and decide whether you like it.

As for the ham radio thing, the local club, Rappahannock Valley Amateur Radio Club (RVARC) holds classes aimed at teaching what's necessary to get your license once or twice a year. Usually done at the Library on Thursday nights, there's some really good teachers and its fun too.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1152029 - 08/11/07 07:12 PM (72.171.0.149)

I spoke to the surveyors about a month ago when they were at the Sheetz by the base. It's still in the engineering stages right now (surveying and whatnot). Once that's completed, then it goes to the community development folks with the county, who said that they haven't (as of yet) been approached by any one box store in particular...but it does seem to be coming.

Some...community insert was in the Journal a week or two ago and it said that King George's days of being a 'retail-free zone' were coming to an end.

The sign says sometime next fall -- we'll see!

Geeze

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Holy forum digging Batman!!

Any news on this? Last I heard they didn't actually have any Big Box stores coming in and if they didn't then they would build it up anyway and solicit.




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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: wgeeze]
      #1152042 - 08/11/07 08:15 PM (71.161.57.164)

Thanks for the info geeze!!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1152585 - 08/13/07 10:52 AM (70.20.232.224)

I hope they build here in a smart way, and not like they did Central Park. What a mess that place is. I don't understand why they have to create all those curvy roads, when grids are so much easier to navigate and understand! And if you want to park and then walk from one store to another, you take your life into your hands.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: peppermill]
      #1153121 - 08/14/07 01:13 PM (159.67.20.49)

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I hope they build here in a smart way, and not like they did Central Park. What a mess that place is. I don't understand why they have to create all those curvy roads, when grids are so much easier to navigate and understand! And if you want to park and then walk from one store to another, you take your life into your hands.




I love Central Park. Im glad its there instead of going across the universe just to shop. I agree, some in's and out's of places are just dumb. Especially right where the Fridays...on through to the Toys R Us. Too congested in that area.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: lita3176]
      #1153158 - 08/14/07 02:16 PM (67.142.130.32)

That's one of the nice things about King George -- two main roads (Rt. 3 & Rt. 301) to navigate your way around town.

In Fredericksburg, you have one road -- Rt. 3.

The same thing happened when we lived in Calvert County. There's one road -- Rt. 4 and, during rush hour and peak shopping times, it can take 30 minutes to go through town -- which only consists of 4 stop lights!

Geeze


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: wgeeze]
      #1153542 - 08/15/07 01:25 PM (63.162.143.21)

Well. I came from Charles County and I can tell you for fact that Central Park traffic is nothing compared to Waldorf traffic on the weekend.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Gonefishin]
      #1153546 - 08/15/07 01:31 PM (71.63.63.90)

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Well. I came from Charles County and I can tell you for fact that Central Park traffic is nothing compared to Waldorf traffic on the weekend.




Nah-nah-nah! My traffic's worse than yours!


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Evander]
      #1153566 - 08/15/07 01:58 PM (138.162.0.42)

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Well. I came from Charles County and I can tell you for fact that Central Park traffic is nothing compared to Waldorf traffic on the weekend.




Nah-nah-nah! My traffic's worse than yours!




Really gonna love retiring back to Indianapolis, where congestion means a farm tractor with 10 cars following it...

Central Park has screwy roads, and isn't very walkable 'cuz its so big, but I like it anyway. It has what I want. Movies. Gym. Bookstore. Electronics stores. What else is there?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Gonefishin]
      #1154036 - 08/16/07 01:27 PM (159.67.20.49)

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Well. I came from Charles County and I can tell you for fact that Central Park traffic is nothing compared to Waldorf traffic on the weekend.




Yes I did too and I can agree with you 100%. Its the same reason I came to KG. It starts from Friday afternoon until Sunday afternoon. Now I see that the Nice bridge is starting to get congested especially on the weekends. So now what? We need a bigger bridge.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: lita3176]
      #1154039 - 08/16/07 01:40 PM (138.162.0.44)

Well actually MD is thinking about widening the bridge. There was an article in the KG Journal that I got yesterday. Seems MD wants to grab 8 acres around the wayside beach area extending through the visitor center and ending close to the entrance of Barnsfield park (as they would have a bridge/travel lanes going though them)

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1154080 - 08/16/07 02:23 PM (159.67.20.49)

Hmmm... Seems like a plan to me. Thanks for the info. KG will not be far behind in agreeing with MD. KG will be getting more money and congestion as long as these houses keep going up. You think we will be the next Waldorf. Hope not

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: lita3176]
      #1154093 - 08/16/07 02:58 PM (63.162.143.21)

I think we are a ways from being like Waldorf in King George. Rt. 301 is steadily going to get worse though as more people use it as an alternative to I-95.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1161617 - 08/30/07 05:13 PM (63.172.80.151)

i went to centurt 21 and they told me they will be breaking ground march 2008 for the retail lot. There will be a Walmart there!!!!

also did you know that a side campus of William and Mary will be built in Kg????


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: kgvip2006]
      #1161798 - 08/31/07 12:19 AM (71.161.56.180)

Now there is some news. The talk was Walmart or Target and Lowe's or Home Depot but nothing definite.

You all think they will meet the advertised date of "Opening Summer of 2008"? Come on CVS or Walgreen (sp?)

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: kgvip2006]
      #1162279 - 08/31/07 08:32 PM (71.171.106.126)

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i went to centurt 21 and they told me they will be breaking ground march 2008 for the retail lot. There will be a Walmart there!!!!

also did you know that a side campus of William and Mary will be built in Kg????





I know that Mary Washington is going to build a campus in King George/Dahlgren but I wasn't aware of W&M plans. Do you have any more info on this?


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: peppermill]
      #1162422 - 09/01/07 02:13 AM (72.209.240.42)

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I hope they build here in a smart way, and not like they did Central Park. What a mess that place is. I don't understand why they have to create all those curvy roads, when grids are so much easier to navigate and understand! And if you want to park and then walk from one store to another, you take your life into your hands.





The developers will do as they damned well please unless you organize and stand strong against every politician in their pocket.
Stand for a moratorium on building permits and zoning.
Don't be fooled by slogans like "smart growth."
The development will always be waaaaay ahead of the roads and you have higher taxes, increased conjestion and such an influx of people that the local character will be destroyed.

If you fail to organize a voting bloc you are doomed, doomed, I say!

The county will be paved and you'll have yourselves the gridlock, the higher taxes, the loss of culture, the constant noise, and the crappy anthill housing developments.


Go to your board of supervisors meetings, raise hell, organize and when they try that "smart growth" crap, ask them for a model and take a look at the tax increases you will pay.



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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Burqajoint]
      #1171927 - 09/20/07 01:13 AM (66.82.9.49)

Once the development genie is let out of the bottle you can't stop it... I have seen it happen in several places in the DC & Baltimore Metro areas.

500,000 sq ft is HUGE! This means major retail... once this retail goes in I would expect that WHOLE corridor from the bridge to the light will be developed into even more.

I hope that the design and developement of this retail at Gateway will be something nice like the one I visted in California when I was out there this past summer... more of a town center type of design...

www.victoriagardensie.com

Matter of fact the new portion of the Spotsylvania (Mall) Towne Centre is what I am talking about and that is only half the size of the Gateway property.

http://www.spotscentre.com/stc.htm

http://www.shoppingcenterbusiness.com/articles/MAY06/story24.shtml


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1208069 - 11/23/07 09:46 PM (66.82.9.61)

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Looks like King George is moving closer to the 21st century.






ARE YOU READY!?!?!?!?



Are Wal-Mart, Lowe's looking at King George County site? RITE AID'S TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY

By COREY BYERS

A new study hints that Wal-Mart and Lowe's are considering opening stores off U.S. 301 in King George County. Officials with both companies and the county are being tight-lipped.

But a recent traffic study included in plans for a new Rite Aid pharmacy notes a proposed Lowe's and Wal- Mart west of the U.S. 301 and Owens Drive (State Route 614) intersection.

That would be about two miles east of the proposed Rite Aid, across from the Naval Support Facility at Dahlgren.

The study also notes correspondence with representatives of the two companies and says the proposed Lowe's is estimated to be 90,000 to 120,000 square feet and the proposed Wal-Mart is estimated at 180,000 to 190,000 square feet.

Wells and Associates Inc. prepared the study, dated Oct. 9, 2007, for Rite Aid Corp. Neither Wal-Mart nor Lowe's has filed site plans with the county.

Maureen Rich, a spokeswoman for Lowe's, said in an e-mail last week that the company has not purchased property in the county.

"It's our policy not to comment about specific sites Lowe's may be considering for new stores unless we have closed on all real-estate matters," Rich said.

Kelly Hobbs, a spokeswoman for Wal-Mart, issued a similar e-mail statement.

"While we have been looking at opportunities in King George County, we don't have any specific plans to share right now," Hobbs said.

Ashley Flower, a spokeswoman for Rite Aid, said the company does extensive studies, taking into account population, competition and the number of healthcare providers, before deciding to open a new store.

She said she had no information on whether Rite Aid decided on King George because of the possibility that Wal-Mart and Lowe's would locate nearby.

Dahlgren District Supervisor Steve Wolfe declined to comment specifically on the possibility of either retailer coming to his district.

"Those are private-sector initiatives--it would be inappropriate for me to talk about it," Wolfe said. " I don't want to jeopardize anything they may or may not be doing."

In a March newsletter to residents, Wolfe mentioned commercial development along U.S. 301 in Dahlgren that would include "three 'big-box' anchors of nationally-recognized chains."

"If it were to happen it would indeed be a significant event because King George is a retail-free zone," Wolfe said last week.

King George residents now must to travel to the Fredericksburg area or across the Harry W. Nice bridge into Charles County, Md., to shop at Wal-Mart or Lowe's.

Realestate broker Stan Palivoda said he is handling the sale of the commercially zoned property mentioned in the traffic study. He said part of the 153 acres will house a new University of Mary Washington graduate center.

Palivoda wouldn't say whether Wal-Mart or Lowe's was looking to build on the site, but did confirm plans for a 500,000-square-foot shopping center.

Signs for a retail center on the property advertise a summer 2008 opening. Palivoda said surveying and engineering are being done and that time frame is not exact.

He said if a Lowe's were to be built on the site, that would open the door to other national chains.

"All the other companies follow along because Lowe's is such a big traffic generator," Palivoda said.

Corey Byers: 540/735-1976
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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1208072 - 11/23/07 10:15 PM (172.167.96.196)

There goes the country liven, they don't want to drive. give up one thing for another. Well that's great for me. sense I a contractor. But not good for my kids. safety , crime, traffic to name a few. Schools to small. they think this will bring $$$$$$$$$$$$ but if the $$$$$$$$$$ is not spent right By the BOS then like the millions of dolors missing all ready. We will be screwed. People better watch the spending. Just ask Stafford and spotsylvaina . high ho silver




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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: SwampThing2]
      #1208097 - 11/23/07 10:58 PM (66.82.9.61)

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There goes the country liven, they don't want to drive. give up one thing for another. Well that's great for me. sense I a contractor. But not good for my kids. safety , crime, traffic to name a few. Schools to small. they think this will bring $$$$$$$$$$$$ but if the $$$$$$$$$$ is not spent right By the BOS then like the millions of dolors missing all ready. We will be screwed. People better watch the spending. Just ask Stafford and spotsylvaina . high ho silver









While I understand some peoples feelings toward change… I do not think that the country living is going away. There will still be plenty of rural spaces in the county. I feel that the lost of country living as it was back in the day started to deteriorate almost 7 years ago when housing development started here. I am glad to see that the BOS did not allow the one developer the ability to double the amount of homes they wanted on a property near the retail area. The BOS should develop stricker rules on density development.

Those that say they are closer to Fredericksburg and would rather go there then K.G. will change their minds. I said the same thing when I lived in St Mary’s county Maryland and it was Waldorf or Lexington Park. It comes down to a personal choice of weather you want to deal with the congestion of Fredericksburg or not.

I agree that we need to stay on top of the BOS by monitoring their spending. So far I think it has been pretty good except for a few things. I personally would like to see more spending on the infrastructure as it relates to roads. I personally think that cross county connector roads such as 206 & 205 should be widened and traffic lights installed or portions of those roads like at 218.

As far as schools go...
http://www.journalpress.com/default.asp?...alpress&he=.com

Construction of a new middle and elementary schools are in the works for 2010-2011. The new high school as of November 1st had an enrollment of 1,219. The new high school will have a capacity of 1,700 students. So I personally think that that is covered. I would expect to see the school board to request a new high school sometime in the 2015 time frame. I also think that having the MARY WASHINGTON Graduate program occupying part of that space is OUTSTANDING.

Crime….
Well you can expect it to rise, to say other wise is foolish. I have not found anything as it relates to the Sheriff outlook on these issues. Most of the crime that I have observed is in the areas of traffic violations and drug related crimes. It should be noted that a majority of crime is found in low-income housing like town homes and apartments. If you want to keep crime low then you need to keep an eye on that type of development.

Traffic
I think we are already seeing bad traffic here. During the summer the two lane bridge is backed up. WHICH I am think there is the push for the bridge to be widen so that it would accommodate the extra traffic.

When the retail goes into that area, this will make it harder for that HAZMAT train to be diverted through K.G. in my opinion.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1208469 - 11/24/07 08:13 PM (172.130.104.111)

I still think. there will be a lot of mistakes along the way. This may burn us if we and the BOS do not work together. Good communication is a key. I'm just concerned that the new people will take over. Those of us who have been here will lose our comfort. We chose to live here
because of peace and friendly neighbors. I don't mined growth ,just not out of control . I'm willing to pay and drive to fred.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1208480 - 11/24/07 08:35 PM (70.187.217.180)

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While I understand some peoples feelings toward change… I do not think that the country living is going away. There will still be plenty of rural spaces in the county.




I remember when there were farms in Fairfax County. And then the builders came. There were few controls and little planning. Whether to widen a bridge or not will be the least of your problems.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: RichOnTheRoad]
      #1208492 - 11/24/07 09:28 PM (172.130.104.111)

thats my point. does any one no were i can get 20 acers way out in culpeper or around there , some where in the boonies?

Edited by SwampThing2 (11/24/07 10:00 PM)


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: SwampThing2]
      #1208502 - 11/24/07 09:54 PM (70.187.217.180)

Better hurry:
http://www.trigondev.com/KingsManor.htm


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: RichOnTheRoad]
      #1208504 - 11/24/07 09:59 PM (70.187.217.180)

And:

According to Census figures released in 2006, Culpeper is the fastest-growing town in the commonwealth of Virginia (when calculating percentage growth). Among all United States counties, Culpeper ranks 18th in percentage growth.

For the past five years, a building boom has dramatically changed Culpeper's landscape. The county still maintains much of its rural heritage, but new subdivisions keep popping up at a steady pace.

[url=http://tinyurl.com/39rwak]Construction fueling residential growth
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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: RichOnTheRoad]
      #1208507 - 11/24/07 10:07 PM (172.130.104.111)

we are the fastest growing county to. Man where do we go!
I built this house for $101,500 including land. it now is wort $486.00.
go figure. another $100.000 and I can Retire.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: SwampThing2]
      #1252192 - 02/15/08 08:04 AM (138.163.0.44)

I usually don't like to bring up old threads but since its still on the first page and these forums aren't the busiest..I say what the hey!

Last I read they were going to possibly start clearing in March which is only a few weeks away. Anyone heard anything different?

This project is right up the road from where I live hence my interest.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Burqajoint]
      #1252919 - 02/16/08 05:30 PM (71.168.0.174)

Quote:

Quote:




The developers will do as they damned well please unless you organize and stand strong against every politician in their pocket.
Stand for a moratorium on building permits and zoning.
Don't be fooled by slogans like "smart growth."
The development will always be waaaaay ahead of the roads and you have higher taxes, increased conjestion and such an influx of people that the local character will be destroyed.

If you fail to organize a voting bloc you are doomed, doomed, I say!

The county will be paved and you'll have yourselves the gridlock, the higher taxes, the loss of culture, the constant noise, and the crappy anthill housing developments.


Go to your board of supervisors meetings, raise hell, organize and when they try that "smart growth" crap, ask them for a model and take a look at the tax increases you will pay.









You are so right, but will anyone listen?


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1252929 - 02/16/08 06:10 PM (66.174.79.226)

I here ya, I grew up in baybery and used to camp out in the woods over there.Changes comes I understand, but at who's cost. Look closely at the boards members and look at what some of them have to gain. One developer, three that have land investments in the local area, the others have perks from the others. Get to know your supervisor. Good old boy. you wait and see, they will over spend to force the county to need more revenue.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1252965 - 02/16/08 07:14 PM (71.161.57.91)

OK Vipper, there you go again, making highly dubious sweeping assertions without providing any facts to back it up. OK, let's take a look: Who is the developer? If you are referring to James Mullen, then while his work is related to development, he doesn't initiate anything because he is a hauler and a grader. He is also acutely sensitive to the position he is in as a Supervisor and knows he can't even appear to have a conflict of interest. If you are referring to Mr. Sisson, whose father in law is a local custom builder - and not a developer - then the burden of proof is on you to provide references to votes or any of his other actions that would substantiate your characterization. Mr. Sisson himself, as you may or may not know, is an engineer who works on the base. His voting record as a sup is clean on anti big development (he voted again both big rezonings last year and like his colleagues is being sued for it - more below).

Hmmmm, let's check out the other three Supervisors. Mr. Grzeika's property holdings in KG amount to only his residence (he is a contractor at the base), Mr. Brooks owns a funeral home in Port Royal, and Mr. Howard, who actually has a couple of real estate investments (was it him you were thinking about?) is a career procurement contracts specialist for the Navy.

Don't believe me? Give them a call.

As for these "perks" you mention, I'm all ears as to what specifically you are referring to.

Although Mr. Mullen is the new guy, over the years the Board has consistently (with the exception of Hopyard way back in 1995 and again in 2003) voted down large rezonings, did so twice last year, and are currently being sued for the rezoning they denied Augustine Homes last summer.

Almost all of the houses you see going up (not so many now however) are the result of "by right" development, which Boards have practically no control over save for a massive rewrite of local zoning laws (which ain't gonna happen for all kinds of reasons, legal and otherwise).

This doesn't sound like a Board hell-bent on massive development to me.

Also, what do you mean by "overspending"? The County has not run a deficit in at least 20 years, and this year's tiny shortfall is revenue driven and will be cured by whatever it takes.

Proof, please, and not baseless accusations.

Edited by MachBuster (02/16/08 07:17 PM)


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: MachBuster]
      #1253013 - 02/16/08 08:23 PM (66.174.79.231)

hey thanks for your so persice speculation on who you think I was referring to.I can all ways count on you to put your own foot in your mouth.
So your saying the dump revenue is just on target?
your all so saying the deal over the y- is just what the public was told.
The Dahlgren sewer system and water system will be fixed,
because were on task.
it's my under standing as along with many others. we have the lowest pay scale for our staff (school teachers) in the area.
I'm questioning there motives as should every one.
unless you no them personally how would you no there motivations.
Are you one of them?
accusations is how questions get asked. maybe you don't what people questioning these very topics.
theres no excuse for the education of our children to be put as a lower priority than Y. Go ahead blame it on the school board. The BOS has ability to fund the schools better.
Thats right were not supposed question any one where just supposed to take it. Not.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1253039 - 02/16/08 08:43 PM (71.253.237.180)

I don't agree that the BOS has underfunded the schools. I think the whole school board/administration machine needs to be fixed. They have too little expertise in budget.
And planning needs work. There are too many U-turns to get around especially near the KG Food Lion/Post Office area. A service road would have been a good start there. I heard a rumor one might be added, but I don't see it.
Planning is the key. Attracting businesses and retail that will add to the community, i.e. marketplace type development. I also make note that the new county hire to attract businesses is way overpaid.
The industrial center is a great project, but really didn't bring jobs to KG.
And what's up with the Heritage Trail? Too many unknowns there.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1253053 - 02/16/08 09:15 PM (71.161.57.91)

Vipper,

No, I'm not one of them, but yes, I do "no" them all well.

I'm all for questioning authority, but there is a big difference between questions and accusations, the latter of which, as you well practice resorts to unfounded implications of misdeeds or malicious motives without anything to back it up with.

I also don't believe I mentioned anything about the school board in my previous post, and yes, landfill revenues are on target. Don't believe me? No problem but please feel free to check with Ms. Donita Harper, the County's Finance Director. It's all public information.

Have you actually looked at the teachers pay scale? Have you? I thought not. When you do, you will see that we are above most of our neighbors in some experience levels, pretty much even in others, and behind in other categories. Again, go look up the facts first.

Maybe you can share by what standard KG is underfunding its schools.

Oh, but silly me, I forgot. I "no" its easier to curse the (alleged) darkness than to light a candle.

Oh, and one last thing. The best thing about the trail is that nothing is happening. Nothing that is but quiet, crime free usage that's been almost invisible according to friends of mine on both sides of the issue, many of which live adjacent to it and were former fervent opponents.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: MachBuster]
      #1253065 - 02/16/08 09:35 PM (66.174.79.234)

land fill targets are not on target. they are ten years shy of there target if not more. Dale told me that him self two years ago.
I asked him in person. Do you really what me to bring out 25 years of infoe on fred talk. I've talked to all of them at one point or another. thats why I want others to ask them the same questions.
I know james is new to the office.
yes to the teacher pay scale, I know a lot of them. and yes I all so know alot of teachers that work else were to.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1253073 - 02/16/08 09:48 PM (66.174.79.234)

Do you all ways answer for some one ells or is this a way to divert the real question. on average the teachers in this county are payed 3% to 5% less than the surrounding counties.
They have a less supportive leave package and less heath.
most of the special education and learning disabled are in the trailers at the high school. the schools don't follow the IEP's for the state requirements. I no that for a fact.
I could go on all night if I wanted to. People ask questions
and if you get pushed to the side ask over until they answer.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1253100 - 02/16/08 10:10 PM (71.161.57.91)

Your comments about the landfill are laughable and absurd, and as usual are backed by no facts or data, but rather by the usual "I wuz told this and that."

I post nothing that asserts statements of fact without having the actual data close by. You want to post "25 years of infoe" here? Then by all means please do so, my grammatically challenged fellow KG resident. If you adhere to your usual pattern it will all be just the usual "I wuz told" or "I heard" BS.

I think that anyone who looks at my (admittedly so far limited) posting record here will notice that I'm detail oriented and if my facts in ANY particular post are wrong, then I expect to be called out for it.

To quote our second president

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770
US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826)

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1253101 - 02/16/08 10:11 PM (71.253.237.180)

Vipper,
You are right on about the special ed program. Those trailers are divided into two classrooms and guess who's in them? Special ed classes.
I don't know if there are any statistics, but I bet at least 75% to 80% of youth crime (smoking, drinking, etc) are special ed students who get caught. I say "get caught" because regular ed students do the same stuff, just know how not to "get caught.'
Special ed students usually don't play high school sports, usually don't particpate in drama or music programs. And they're stuck in trailers most of the day. IEPs suck, triennials are not done or are incomplete. And most of the teachers are here for one year, then leave.
Why is that? Salary? No, it's because there is a serious problem in the system.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: DreamCatcher]
      #1253112 - 02/16/08 10:19 PM (71.161.57.91)

Dream,

I suspect that there is a larger systemic administrative problem going on there. I mean really, how does a supposedly self supporting fund like the Cafeteria Fund get out of hand in a BIG way for two years in a row before anyone over there finally twigs to a problem?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: MachBuster]
      #1253124 - 02/16/08 10:33 PM (71.253.237.180)

The cafeteria fund was underestimated. Had to be. I've heard a lot about enrollment being down, but cafeteria? It has to be a bit like running a restaurant, look at the history, include new costs adjustments and inflation, and voila, a decent budget.
There is a serious administrative problem, not just in the cafeteria. There doesn't seem to be any accountability. Parents who are proactive are considered a nuisance. The only way to get anything done is be the squeaky wheel. The school board is a joke; it's a popularity contest not a service oriented group.
Of course, there are the opportunies.... they're non-existent. There are no trade programs for high schoolers. I know Caroline County has a self sustaining auto repair program and a beautician program. No money from the budget, the program sustains itself. The kids win, the county wins.
There is no creative thinking, just a cover your butt kinda attitude.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: MachBuster]
      #1253314 - 02/17/08 03:19 PM (66.174.79.228)

you have posted no facts other than (the same statement over and over)I give you the facts and he's lying and I'm right.
as to your posts and history you only have posted 23 times.
As to the comments on here they are mainly conversations of thoughts or past exspirance's. If you have the know all then
share it or back it up with your title in the county government. Or are you just like me and is just a resident with a common interest.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: MachBuster]
      #1253315 - 02/17/08 03:34 PM (66.174.79.235)

say what you want, but I'm not hiding who I am. as we may not agree, a majority of the people on here do agree with me on a lot of issues. I'm not going beat around the bush and give a lot of BS about the fats about this county. Yes there is a lot of great thing about KG, but theres problems that need to be addressed to. So if you have a idea on how to address some of the ones posted on here, I would love to here them.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1253361 - 02/17/08 05:17 PM (71.161.57.91)

Well, I have no title or position in KG government, to answer that question. As for facts, I'll share a few about the landfill to counter your assertion that it is "10 years behind schedule", and I'll leave it be at that.

I think this board is a positive thing, but it shouldn't be a place where people who make accusations and unfounded sweeping assertions be allowed to do so without expecting a challenge, especially if they impugn the motives or honesty of others, no matter where they may sit.

Anyway, here's a semi-short history of the landfill: The County signed the original contract to build the new landfill in August 1993 with a small company named Garnet of Virginia. The contract was to run for a term of 40 years, or whatever date it reached capacity and met all post-closure requirements. Therefore, using the 40-year number, the contract is set to expire in 2032, but the actual date may vary depending upon when the thing actually finishes filing up.

After the original contract was closed, Garnet of Virginia was bought out during a wave of mergers in the waste disposal industry which is how Waste Management, Inc., came into the picture. Waste Management manages and operates the landfill, but the County owns the land.

The new landfill took about 18 months to build. It got its DEQ operating permit in August 1995 and accepted its first waste in November 1996.

At first, the landfill was allowed to accept up to a maximum of 2,900 tons per day, but that was increased to 4,000 TPD, and then reduced to the current 3,500 TPD by a 1998 contract amendment. Over the years the timing of certain tonnage variances has been tinkered with, but not by material amounts.

The original contract granted the County a $5 per ton host fee, which has remained unchanged. For those of you new to KG, you may not know that we had a large unlined landfill where the current Route 205 transfer station is. That big empty space you see down below was the location of the old landfill. The contract for the new landfill obligated the new landfill operator to fully fund the excavation and removal of the old landfill's contents to the new one. That was finally completed at a cost of roughly $11 million or so (going by memory on that one). In the early 1990's, KG was facing being forced to get rid of the old landfill on its own by state and federal authorities, a cost which at the time would have bankrupted the County.

The new landfill contract also obligated the operator to remove the infamous tire pile in Sealston, which the county could have never afforded to do on its own. That too, was done.

Since accepting its first waste in 1996 (half comes in by rail, and half by truck), the landfill has pretty much been operating at full capacity ever since. At $5 per ton, with a max of 3,500 TPD allowed, the County gets $6.4 million each year with no strings attached. Just for reference, current property taxes would have to be increased from the current 44 cents to 71 cents to make up the difference. Landfill revenues are not used to support current operating expenses, but are rather used to pay long-term debt service and to pay for capital improvements. The County made a policy decison to NOT use landfill funds for current operating expenses in 1998 or so.

Accumulated landfill funds allowed the County to make major "down payments" on both Sealston Elementary and the new high school, and have allowed the county to reduce the amount of debt it would have otherwise been required to issue were they not available.

Also, the KG landfill provided a service to our nation as it happens to be the final resting place for the rubble from the Pentagon after it was attacked on September 11th.

The landfill and its revenue stream are obviously a finite resource, and last May, the County was told that it had 22 years of expected operational life at that point. In other words, barring no problems, it should not reach capacity until 2029, just within 3 years of its original expected capacity date, and given improvements in technology, could reasonably be expected to add a year or two of capacity to that figure.

As I posted earlier, annual landfill revenues are on target this year, and have for the most part, been within 5% of target each year it has operated (9/11 caused a disruption and a bridge problem in DC 2 years ago caused a small hit in tonnage).

Almost 90% of the total tonnage comes from Waste Management's transfer station in Annapolis Junction, Maryland and is derived from the Baltimore area. The rest is "spot market" tonnage, and trash from KG residents. It is a triple lined landfill, whereas the old landfill it replaced had no liners at all.

When the landfill was first proposed and debated in the late 1980's and early 1990's, it sparked a huge, huge controversy. It was a very divisive issue, and set friends against friends. While I'm not going to go into the policy issues, it has performed pretty much as contracted, although given the size of the thing, it still needs plenty of fine-tuning from time to time.



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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: MachBuster]
      #1253398 - 02/17/08 06:48 PM (172.132.213.2)

so let me see, 3 off buy your account Steve. How about the fact that they have all ready started using the second hafe of the landfill. we have not reached the hafe way point yet. by 5 years. so that makes up to eight years. The reason by your own
words,they will allow extra trash to be delivered to fund extra exspences or short falls. so that's my take on it.
We will see what happens.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1253414 - 02/17/08 07:18 PM (71.161.57.91)

Hmmmm, so what part of "last May, the County was told that it had 22 years of expected operational life at that point" or, "whatever date it reached operational capacity" did you not understand?

Oh well, I'm sure it all makes sense to you somehow, someway... And BTW, please enjoy speculating about who I am. These dark winter days find us all needing something to do!



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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: MachBuster]
      #1253427 - 02/17/08 08:05 PM (66.174.79.231)

ya your right I'm board to death. so thanks for the imfoe.
you what to argue some more points or what.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1253930 - 02/19/08 08:35 AM (138.163.0.43)

So the last 18 posts had nothing to do with any kind of information about the topic.

Has anyone heard any new stuff that's actually on topic?


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1254138 - 02/19/08 02:13 PM (66.174.79.239)

nope, does seem that way. we some times go off in tanjets .
It's away to vent on some topics surrounding the general consept . Do you have any comments on the topic?


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: oisin]
      #1254242 - 02/19/08 06:44 PM (63.172.83.18)

Quote:

As I said............ rt 301 will come to life soon.





It will, and when it becomes the living hell that Rte 3 is in Spotsy, people will wish they had done something about it...

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Burqajoint]
      #1254301 - 02/19/08 08:09 PM (72.82.120.228)

I don't think anything is fully done yet with the Walmart coming to near Routes 301 and 206. I've heard several big name developers are very interested in KG.
There is a home and craft show being held March 1st and 2nd, that may be a good opportunity to talk to local realtors and builders.
As I understand Walmart, you have to have the numbers, the population, for them to build. I'm sure that's something to watch closely. If the schools have lower enrollment than expected, maybe the population hasn't grown as was projected.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: DreamCatcher]
      #1254780 - 02/20/08 05:03 PM (66.174.79.236)

you have the right idea. Nothings set in stone yet.
with the latest decline in the market, I'm sure, they will delay any thing that might have started. I have, heard of nothing, being turned into the county for review.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1254906 - 02/20/08 07:54 PM (69.19.14.23)

Quote:

Looks like King George is moving closer to the 21st century.












JUST SAW THIS "NEW" SIGN THIS MORNING.

If you notice the "New" sign only advertises 300,000 sq. ft. now. Which probably means that WALMART has secured the first 200,000.

The new company that is managing the lease now looks to be more professional then the last.

From their website

"Retail Leasing and Sales – KLNB Retail

Professionals in KLNB Retail assist clients with the leasing and sale of freestanding properties, strip shopping centers, power centers, and other retail properties. Tenant representation specialists handle site selection needs for some of the nation’s top retailers, including Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Barnes & Noble, Harris Teeter, TJX Companies, Chick-fil-A, FedEx Kinkos, and Wachovia."

KLNB Retail Commerical Real Estate Services



Also I would PLEASE ask that if you want to go off on a topic that has nothing to do with this to please start a new post. I started this thread so that everyone could see what is happening with bringing retail to King George which is not being reported elsewhere like the Journal. Thanks


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1254922 - 02/20/08 08:08 PM (172.169.184.32)

ok,

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1255808 - 02/21/08 10:26 PM (72.73.34.209)

I would say..... spring of 2010

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1260003 - 02/27/08 05:42 PM (74.214.39.189)

FINALLY, some specific proposals are emerging... When they first put up those new signs announcing the new retail manager (KLNB), the KLNB Retail web site didn't even list any King George projects. I just happened to check again today. Not only is the King George Site listed, but there's a 2-page brochure for a proposed "Gateway Shops at Dahlgren". This evidently is not the proposed 500,000 sq. ft. retail development to the south of Sheetz, but instead is a smaller (but still substantial) retail center just across Owens drive on the North side of Sheetz. It includes a proposed site plan with a 55,100 sq. ft grocery store, a CVS (can Dahlgren really support a CVS AND a RITE AID?), a Bank, a 6,400 sq. ft. restaurant and another large building. Here are the links:

KLNB Retail: http://www.klnb.com/retail.aspx

King George property: http://www.klnb.com/search/detail.aspx?i...ounty&BrokerID=

Brochure: http://www.klnb.com/PropDocs/2786.aspx

Here's the interesting part that will add fuel to the Wal-Mart rumors. The PDF brochure includes an aerial photograph of the area, overlaid with graphics of the proposed and adjacent properties. The large 500,000 sq ft property next door (to the south of Sheetz) is included on the diagram. It shows two large, unnamed anchor stores along with numerous large outbuildings. The largest anchor store is just a blue rectangle. But if you zoom in on the PDF and look closely, you may see the Wal-Mart logo appear for a split second before it gets hidden by a blue rectangle. Apparently they tried to simply cover up the Wal-Mart logo for whatever reason. But since PDF is a layered format, the browser (Firefox in my case) renders the graphics by drawing the lower layers (background image), middle layers (logo) and top layers (obscuring rectangle) in order. It sounds odd, but try it for yourself. Just quickly zoom in and out a little on page 2, and you should a Wal-Mart logo flash briefly before appearing as a blank blue rectangle.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: chalk]
      #1260437 - 02/28/08 10:40 AM (140.185.26.10)

Yeah I tried what you said and it works. They tried to cover it up. Thats funny!!! Well it's about time!!!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: KGrider]
      #1260901 - 02/28/08 08:52 PM (98.204.20.144)

I saw it too. I wish I could figure out the other stores but couldn't...even after squinting!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: VAMommy]
      #1261328 - 02/29/08 03:05 PM (138.162.0.43)

NOW that is some good info...thanks for sharing!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1261431 - 02/29/08 07:04 PM (70.208.26.89)

Huray,huray,huray, No more long trips to fredyburg. save that gas.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1262132 - 03/02/08 01:32 AM (66.82.9.108)

Here are screen captures of the site plans.







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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1262133 - 03/02/08 01:50 AM (66.82.9.108)

Reading in the JOURNAL 19th Annual King George Home & Craft insert had an article written by Stan Palivoda which is a Real Estate broker that has been in the business for 35 years.


"Land is under contract for several large shopping centers which have plenty of out space for large boxes such as Wal-Mart and Lowes. Recent contact and correspondence with company representatives has indicated that a potential Lowe's would be in the range of 90,00 and 120,000 square feet and the proposed Wal-Mart is estimated to be between 180,000 and 190,000 square feet."

"In addition, land is being considered to accommodate a high tech Mary Washington University Campus. Most Recently a new 100 room motel has closed on land in Dahlgren (next to Comfort Inn) and construction will start in 2008. Negotiations are underway for a Waffle House, a new bank, a small strip shopping center, and a new office building. Last year new construction has been underway for over 70,00 sq ft of new office space."

"Rite Aid Pharmacy has filed a plans for a drive-through totaling 14,564 , located diagonally across from the Century 21 Battlefield building."

"Going on down at the RT 3 and US 301 area, Silver Companies has land under contract to build two large box shopping complexes. Continuing down RT. 3 several miles to the Oak Grove, area I have plans for an eight thousand sq ft shopping center that will set directly behind the Century 21 Battlefield/Peoples Community Bank building... breaking ground in this year (2008)."


As I stated before in this post... once the genie is release you can NOT put in back in the bottle.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: chalk]
      #1262135 - 03/02/08 02:03 AM (66.82.9.108)

Quote:

It includes a proposed site plan with a 55,100 sq. ft grocery store, a CVS (can Dahlgren really support a CVS AND a RITE AID?), a Bank, a 6,400 sq. ft. restaurant and another large building.




King George currently has two Pharmacies... one in Dahlgren and one at RT 3 & US 301 near the Furniture store. However they are private single owner stores. My guess is that they will not make it. Also don't forget that Wal-Mart has a Pharmacy as well...

"ANCHOR STORE 2" looks to be a the Lowes location.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1262189 - 03/02/08 09:39 AM (71.161.62.174)

The Dahlgren pharmacy came within a hair of closing last August, and still doesn't give the appearance of being fully stocked as far as sundries go. Also, just a nitpick, but on the map above that's not the main entrance to Dahlgren, but is rather "B" gate.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: MachBuster]
      #1262309 - 03/02/08 05:08 PM (66.82.9.56)

Quote:

Also, just a nitpick, but on the map above that's not the main entrance to Dahlgren, but is rather "B" gate.




Yeah you are correct in pointing that out, the only mark that I made on the "map" was putting the text WALMART on the building. All other annotations were done by KLBN.


I hate to sound harsh, but the the pharmacy at Dahlgren should close... mark my words... once WALMART is built, and it closes... someone will either say it here or in the newspapers that the closing of the Dahlgren Pharmacy is an example of how WALMART kills off the mom and pop stores. WHEN in reality they are already killing themselves off.

You can not have half empty shelves and one person running the cash register and taking/giving the filled prescriptions.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1262372 - 03/02/08 08:43 PM (74.214.40.211)

I thought that pharmacy already closed a few months back.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: kgmome3]
      #1262841 - 03/03/08 09:15 PM (75.199.46.187)

No, they are still open. Just got drugs they'er.
Well I'm glad to see the companies coming. I could use the work. Thats if they use local contractors. Probably not.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1265306 - 03/08/08 02:52 AM (69.19.14.20)

New information states that "Estimated delivery of first quarter 2010"... most likely just the first phase only. Walmart is part of the first phase... the square footage on the Walmart building is only 150,000, but have found it to be higher else where.



Also it states that it is "Home to the new Mary Washington Satellite Graduate Studies Campus".


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1265307 - 03/08/08 03:00 AM (69.19.14.20)

This is another overhead shot with a detailed overlay showing the first and second phases of construction. You can also see an rectangle area behind the Walmart section that is labeled play/recreational. The large area to the left behind Walmart is labeled HOME/OFFICE/HOTEL/MEDICAL. There is also a lot in the far back left corner, but I can not make out what it says.



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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1265309 - 03/08/08 03:08 AM (69.19.14.20)

This a detailed architect site plan for the first phase of the Gateway Shopping Center. WALMART site (150,000 sq ft) and General Retail 1 (30,000 sq ft) are leased out. This is the first time that the University of Mary Washington's location has been pointed out. Pads A - E show proposed business types.



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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1268261 - 03/13/08 10:28 PM (74.214.39.189)

The Free Lance-Star published an informative article today summarizing all the proposed and planned commercial projects for King George:
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2008/032008/03132008/362721


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: chalk]
      #1268286 - 03/14/08 01:49 AM (69.19.14.33)

Great post Chalk... it is almost like that read this forum or something.

Yeah the retail groups never like to speak in the open. They like to sneak in and just pop up before the community knows whats happening. Don't get me wrong... I am looking forward to it, but I hate how they are trying to be so hush hush.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: chalk]
      #1268362 - 03/14/08 10:47 AM (70.208.98.136)

the (rd marked ownes DR) is the old rail road. I grew up along that creak. My fathers house looks right at that lot. I'm a little worried about that water (run off) the creak has gotten smaller sense I grew up there.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1380817 - 09/14/08 12:59 AM (66.82.9.55)

Here is a recent update of the site plan for the KGGRSC. As you can see L3 has leased an area for an office. Also this is a guess, but it appears that only those in orange are not leased yet and the others are.




CLOSE UP DETAIL OF THE RETAIL AREA



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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1381087 - 09/14/08 03:14 PM (98.172.22.221)

So who is the 150,000sf retailer?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Minx]
      #1381329 - 09/15/08 01:32 AM (66.82.9.61)

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So who is the 150,000sf retailer?




MINX... based on my previous research it looks like Wal-Mart. I have not heard anything different. That is about 30,000 sqft less then the average Superstore.

The store off State Route 3 east in Washington Square Plaza is about 100,000 sq.ft.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1381361 - 09/15/08 07:26 AM (70.208.201.194)

This sit look to be right on the creek or at least very close.
They sure are putting a lot of buildings in a relatively small area. I wonder what effect this will have on the water shed.Traffic will be very congested there around lunch and quitting time. I hope they put at lest a light at that enter section. I wounder if they will ever start this project in the near future.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1381382 - 09/15/08 07:57 AM (70.179.121.150)

Is a water shed anything like an out house?

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      #1381468 - 09/15/08 11:36 AM (128.38.121.51)



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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: vipper]
      #1414955 - 11/19/08 12:39 AM (66.82.162.10)

In the drawings there are two signal lights. With respect to the any encroachment on the water. The EPA has tight restrictions on how close one can build to a waterway.


KLNB is still showing an estimated delivery date of Spring 2010.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: chalk]
      #1474382 - 04/12/09 11:41 AM (66.82.9.62)

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FINALLY, some specific proposals are emerging... When they first put up those new signs announcing the new retail manager (KLNB), the KLNB Retail web site didn't even list any King George projects. I just happened to check again today. Not only is the King George Site listed, but there's a 2-page brochure for a proposed "Gateway Shops at Dahlgren". This evidently is not the proposed 500,000 sq. ft. retail development to the south of Sheetz, but instead is a smaller (but still substantial) retail center just across Owens drive on the North side of Sheetz. It includes a proposed site plan with a 55,100 sq. ft grocery store, a CVS (can Dahlgren really support a CVS AND a RITE AID?), a Bank, a 6,400 sq. ft. restaurant and another large building. Here are the links:

KLNB Retail: http://www.klnb.com/retail.aspx

King George property: http://www.klnb.com/search/detail.aspx?i...ounty&BrokerID=

Brochure: http://www.klnb.com/PropDocs/2786.aspx

Here's the interesting part that will add fuel to the Wal-Mart rumors. The PDF brochure includes an aerial photograph of the area, overlaid with graphics of the proposed and adjacent properties. The large 500,000 sq ft property next door (to the south of Sheetz) is included on the diagram. It shows two large, unnamed anchor stores along with numerous large outbuildings. The largest anchor store is just a blue rectangle. But if you zoom in on the PDF and look closely, you may see the Wal-Mart logo appear for a split second before it gets hidden by a blue rectangle. Apparently they tried to simply cover up the Wal-Mart logo for whatever reason. But since PDF is a layered format, the browser (Firefox in my case) renders the graphics by drawing the lower layers (background image), middle layers (logo) and top layers (obscuring rectangle) in order. It sounds odd, but try it for yourself. Just quickly zoom in and out a little on page 2, and you should a Wal-Mart logo flash briefly before appearing as a blank blue rectangle.





It appears that the Gateway Shops at Dahlgren are no longer on the KLNB website. What does this mean? Not sure exactly... Might be a delay to push tenant leasing at the shopping center. Could also be some of the companies that originally expressed interest have retracted do to the economy.

Doing a search shows that the brochure is still available but under a different number
http://www.klnb.com/PropDocs/4216.aspx




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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1474386 - 04/12/09 01:00 PM (74.214.39.117)

Probably means that there's going to be yet more delay, and further inhibit KG residents of the future who will be, once again, struggling with outreageous energy prices on all fronts, and who will still have to travel 12 - 35 miles to Fredericksburg to get things at Wal Mart or Lowes that they can't get here.

People need to be preparing for an existence where they can walk to where they need to go, as much as possible. $10 a gallon gas will quickly see to it that life this far from a population center will be miserable, with a lot of waiting for things that they probably won't enjoy waiting for, like parts to fix the plumbing and get the water back on... Oh, you thought you were going to call a plumber? Only if you can pay for the service call, which due to the price of his fuel to move around, costs more than about 60% of the people can pay. There won't be all that many plumbers, and most people will have learned to fix their own pipes due to the expense. Only, they still need to run to F'burg for parts, unless they have a local Wal Mart or Lowes.

I think the future is going to see the end of suburan living like this. We either build the necessary things to make it viable to live without requiring driving nearly continuously, or we end up moving back into the city. People of the future are really hosed, I think, if we don't plan for that.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: rally2xs]
      #1474388 - 04/12/09 01:27 PM (70.179.121.150)

rally, are you familiar with James Howard Kunstler? He's been saying pretty much the same thing for many years now. His book The Geography of Nowhere: The Rise and Decline of America's Man-Made Landscape was published in 1993 and followed up by Home From Nowhere where he offers some solutions.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: RichOnTheRoad]
      #1474494 - 04/12/09 08:36 PM (74.214.39.117)

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rally, are you familiar with James Howard Kunstler? He's been saying pretty much the same thing for many years now. His book The Geography of Nowhere: The Rise and Decline of America's Man-Made Landscape was published in 1993 and followed up by Home From Nowhere where he offers some solutions.

http://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/
The Geography of Nowhere
Home From Nowhere




No, not familiar with them, but they probably were in the news at one point or another and hearing it might have gotten me thinking along those lines. But it ain't rocket science, either - pretty obvious that the "all sprawled out" living, with the constant "drive - drive - drive" necessity is expensive - and unsustainable.

Combine that with everything else, such as the attacks on prosperity in the name of both "environmentalism" and "safety" that cost us far out of proportion to their benefits, and its not hard at all to come up with end-game scenarios that all look really bad for the American way of life as it is now practiced.

So, anything that brings to me a way to save a trip into town is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.

Similar advances, such as improvements to the local electrical infrastructure, are welcome as far as I'm concerened. They installed that big electrical substation on Winston Place just a couple years ago, which is close, and now my electrical service doesn't go away as often as it used to. That's a really good thing - it was off for 3 days after a simple little windstorm - the basement flooded for lack of sump pump, etc. and... well... its just an annoyance of and potentially expensive aspect of living out here rather than embedded somewhere into the town of F'burg.

Hey, I found about 1.3 Acres in Indianapolis for $9K today on the net - not particularly thrilled with the location, tho, 'cuz it's little far from stuff, and I'd have to drive. I'll maybe sneak over there when I'm in the area for the Dayton Hamvention, and have a look, tho - that's dang cheap land. It has a little creek running thru it, too, so maybe that floods and that's the reason its so cheap. But need to get back to some rational sort of way of living, so's I'm not spending most of my money just because I'm far from everything.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: rally2xs]
      #1474539 - 04/13/09 01:29 AM (98.175.167.150)

Rally, why are you even looking at it? You've already said it's too far from stuff, so you'll just end up being unhappy again. You need to look for someplace more urban where you don't have to drive!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Minx]
      #1474544 - 04/13/09 05:43 AM (74.214.39.117)

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Rally, why are you even looking at it? You've already said it's too far from stuff, so you'll just end up being unhappy again. You need to look for someplace more urban where you don't have to drive!




'Cuz I could be wrong about how far it is from stuff - they may have done some building since I left. There is _probably_ a grocery within walking distance, and depending on who's built what, a movie. Then I'd have to look around for a different gym - my 1st choice is the Y on Shortridge St., but that'd be abt. 5 miles. Might be something closer.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: rally2xs]
      #1474569 - 04/13/09 09:20 AM (98.175.167.150)

Ah, that makes more sense then

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Minx]
      #1476536 - 04/20/09 06:28 PM (71.168.1.142)

So is this shopping mecca on the back burner now that the economy is in a mess? And what about the wondrous Rite-Aid?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: dayzdaze]
      #1476823 - 04/21/09 10:05 AM (67.142.130.22)

I have heard that the UMW research campus being built there is proceeding and may start this summer. With Walmart no longer the #1 biz in America they are sure to wait till people start buying things before they break ground on this site.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: MarinerMan]
      #1482070 - 05/05/09 07:58 PM (66.82.9.74)

Funny thing is I just saw on the news last night that Robert Devaull, a Virginia resident, was helping to fight Wal-Mart from building near the battle fields (Wilderness battlefield).

I think we in K.G. would be more then happy to take it off of Orange Counties hands...


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: dayzdaze]
      #1482098 - 05/05/09 08:20 PM (66.82.9.74)

No I think the shopping center that was going to be constructed to the RIGHT of the sheetz is on hold and that the Gateway is still on track, because you have Mary Washington going in and a couple of others.

They are still suppose to break ground this year...


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1494608 - 06/19/09 11:04 PM (66.82.162.15)

Got some good news and some bad news...

Good news is that the Mary Washington Graduate program campus is currently under going design and that the ground breaking will be in 2010 with an open date of 2011.

Bad news... I am hearing that the retail portion has been put on hold... I have also notice that one of the PAD SITES has been redesigned to accommodate several 1600 sqft stores. What I am seeing to three phases to the construction now instead of the two. So I think it is more scaled back.. at least that is what I am hoping.

I don't know the status on Wal-Mart... I tried contacting them but was not able to garner any information... which is not uncommon really. Have not heard anything else on the Rite Aid on the corner across from WaWa either.

I am guessing that the current economy is the major reason for this.

We are still hurting for some much need major retail.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1494623 - 06/20/09 04:49 AM (67.142.130.40)

Rite-Aid is in danger of bankruptcy...so doubt they'll launch any new stores for the time being.

There was something in the paper about a CVS coming to the corner of 301 & 3, so that would be good.

In the same article -- which I think was an interview with Joe Greizka -- he didn't know anything at all about a Wal-Mart coming to King George.

Looks like we'll continue to travel to Fredericksburg or LaPlata for at least a few more years!


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: typingmom]
      #1494626 - 06/20/09 06:16 AM (70.179.121.150)

Wish I'd bought some shares of Rite-Aid in February and sold them last week. It went from $.20 to $1.74 per share.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: RichOnTheRoad]
      #1512907 - 08/22/09 03:18 PM (69.19.14.25)

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Final site plan to be reviewed this week by Planning Commission

A Wal-Mart is the anchor store of a site plan of a retail development up for approval this week in King George.
The Planning Commission is slated to review a final site plan for a project called King George Gateway, which indicates an anchor store containing 133,473 square feet.
This week’s review and approval is slated for Tuesday, August 11, after The Journal goes to press with this issue.
The applicant is listed as OMZ King George LLC, represented by Edward Murphy, though tax maps indicate that the bulk of the property appears to currently be owned by Monmouth West Limited Partnership.

The brief staff report, comprised of one page with a cover sheet, does not mention Wal-Mart. No formal announcement has been made by Wal-Mart or the applicant about siting a store in King George.

Nor is Wal-Mart prominently named on the final site plan drawings. But at least two sheets of the 83-sheet plan set refer to Wal-Mart construction details by name.

Sheet 4 refers to a pictured design of a light pole base which is captioned, “Wal-Mart Light Base Detail,” and sheet 5 has instructions for, “Foundation Subsurface Preparation Wal-Mart Store (#5779-00).”

16 sheets are listed on the site plan index as having been removed from the complete plan set, likely because they contain the name, “Wal-Mart” and/or proprietary engineering. The site plan was prepared by The Engineering Groupe, Inc., of Fredericksburg.

County Administrator Travis Quesenberry declined to comment on the planned development, neither confirming nor denying that Wal-Mart is part of the proposal.

Wal-Mart has become skittish about announcing new stores until after all local approvals have been obtained. That’s because plans for siting the ubiquitous chain stores are not always met with universal appeal, and sometimes actual protests take place.

King George has been buzzing about the possibility of a Wal-Mart being sited in Dahlgren off and on for the last several years, with speculation heightening in the last couple of years.

Most of the expressed public opinion has been overwhelmingly positive by residents clamoring for retail shopping alternatives within the county.

The approval of the final site plan is the main action required by the county, since the commercial development is in line with the existing zoning.

ACREAGE & ZONING
The property for this phase of the development contains about 124 acres zoned Retail Trade District (C-1) and General Trade District (C-2). Retail sales are permitted by right in both the C-1 and C-2 zoning districts.

The plan for Phase I depicts a total of 214,748 square feet of retail space including the anchor store, with an additional 81,275 square feet of retail space broken into 10 multi-tenant retail spaces. The plan shows 1,419 parking spaces.

It also indicates a row of seven additional pad sites fronting along US 301. The staff report says site plans for those sites will be submitted separately.

LOCATION
The retail development is planned on several parcels on the west side of US 301 in Dahlgren.
That’s directly across US 301 from the Dahlgren Technology Center, where office space for several government contractors is located off Commerce Drive. The property is south of Chatham Village and Monmouth, with the Sheetz station fronting those subdivisions on US 301.
The planned Dahlgren Education and Research Center post-graduate facility will be constructed on the south side of the shopping center property.

Access is provided to the state-owned university property by the retail development’s main entrance to be constructed into the Gateway development.

Bayberry subdivision is farther south of US 301.
All of the property to be developed will be served by internal roads with two entrances from US 301.
The main entrance will be directly across from, and a continuation of, Commerce Drive, but named “University Drive,” with the site plan requiring a traffic signal at that intersection with US 301.

A second traffic light is slated for future installation at a second entrance to be named, “Market Center,” about 1,300 feet to the north of the first light. Both entrances will provide access to the development served by a grid of internal cross roads to be constructed.

Other transportation improvements on US 301 include creating turn lanes.

Letters of approval are included with the staff report from the Virginia Department of Transportation and the King George County Service Authority, which will provide water and sewer service to the development.

There is no reference to how traffic is expected to be increased or affected by the development and the signaling to be constructed.

During holiday weekends, that section of US 301 experiences slow-downs resulting in backups for vehicles travelling north to go across the Harry W. Nice Bridge over the Potomac River.

Last month, on the 4th of July weekend, it was backed up for 10 miles to the Circle intersection at Route 205.

FUTURE DEVELOPMENT
The plans indicate a Future Phase II idea for additional retail development between Monmouth and Chatham Village subdivisions on the north end and the current Phase I plan.
Future Phase II is earmarked for 23 acres also owned by Monmouth West Limited Partnership fronting on US 301.
Behind that, there is another parcel containing 11.7 acres owned by Ed and Joy Veazey not currently indicated in the plan for development.

A retail broker’s website indicates plans proposing a future office development on adjacent property containing about 40 acres behind the Dahlgren Education and Research Center post-graduate facility, and an additional opportunity for development of two possible hotels along US 301 south of the pad sites on four acres.

REFERENCE: By Phyllis Cook, Staff Reporter Journal Press




When directly asked by Mrs Cook at the planning board meeting... they would not answer whom they were associated with.

A lot of this is not really new as it has been posted here from some time.

One of the hold ups has been a proper water run off plan. The water run off at the Daily Grind/ Pocono Villa is actually located under the parking lot.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1512908 - 08/22/09 03:21 PM (69.19.14.25)

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UMW gives update on Dahlgren research, education center

The King George Planning Commission last week received an overview on a postgraduate educational entity going forward in the Dahlgren area.
The development of the Dahlgren Education and Research Center project is under the direction of Richard Hurley, University of Mary Washington executive vice president, who provided a brief presentation at the July 14 meeting of the Planning Commission and distributed copies of a slide presentation.
Hurley was at the meeting by invitation, not for any county land use approvals, which are not needed for the state project.
The primary purpose of the center is to provide partner schools with classrooms, computer labs, video teleconferencing capabilities, and office space to offer graduate and undergraduate science, technology, engineering, and mathematics degree programs designed to enhance the Naval Support Activity South Potomac workforce capabilities.
The center is targeted to open in fall 2011.

UMW’s role and responsibilities include facility construction, property management and rental agent. Its academic offerings will be high-quality programs conducted in response to strategically identified needs. Non-credit programs and services will also offered in response to clearly identified needs and requirements.
In addition to UMW, Hurley said educational partners identified for participation are Virginia Tech, University of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University, Old Dominion University and the Naval Postgraduate School.
Hurley said Rappahannock Community College and Germanna Community College will also participate.
“Community colleges can start people off on their first two years for some degrees, with universities finishing them off,” he said.
In 2006, the Fredericksburg Regional Chamber of Commerce’s Military Affairs Council (MAC) proposed construction of Dahlgren Research and Education Institute. He added that the expert on the background of the project is Joe Grzeika, Chairman of the King George Board of Supervisors, who has been involved in the project’s development since its inception.
“The Dahlgren Education and Research project has been pursued to address one of the findings related to the last Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) round in 2005,” Grzeika said. “The BRAC identified as a concern the ability of the base at Dahlgren to provide the necessary post-graduate education for their work force focusing on the scientists and engineers. This perceived weakness was one of the first issues MAC took on shortly after it was formed.”
Grzeika added that former state Senator John Chichester was involved in the early concept and helped the idea become reality.
Chichester is credited with positive action by the Virginia General Assembly in March 2007 to provide $2 million toward the project to purchase 26.8 acres on the west side of US 301 in Dahlgren. An additional $22 million for construction was approved in 2008.
“The project is now real with construction to commence in the first part of calendar year 2010,” Grzeika said. “This is an exciting opportunity to not only address the workforce development, but also to look at how it can strengthen and expand the economic development of the region. I believe we need to now turn our focus to the planning and vision for the future with this facility as a centerpiece.”
Hurley said the initial construction will be a 40,000 square foot building. The concept site plan provides space for a second building of similar size to be added to the complex.
In addition to large and small classrooms, labs and faculty offices, the two-story building also will have a large general purpose room that Hurley said can also be used by the community and general public for meetings, get-togethers, career fairs and social functions, including receptions for weddings and other occasions.
The building construction will be LEED-certified (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) with grass growing on the roof and geothermal heating and cooling. LEED is part of an eco-friendly building rating system developed by the U.S. Green Building Council which provides standards for environmentally sustainable construction.

By Phyllis Cook, Staff Reporter Journal press





I have known about this since the meeting but have not had time to post the news to here. This is really good news for the K.G. community.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1534007 - 11/06/09 08:30 AM (69.19.14.15)

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Here is a recent update of the site plan for the KGGRSC. As you can see L3 has leased an area for an office. Also this is a guess, but it appears that only those in orange are not leased yet and the others are.




CLOSE UP DETAIL OF THE RETAIL AREA







Here is the latest information on the KLNB Retail website. WALMART IS ACTUALLY INDICATED... Below is the latest image showing WALMART. This is not the first time that we have known this on this thread, but it is the first time that it has been OFFICIALLY posted. Estimated delivery is posted for second quarter 2010 (APR/MAY/JUN)



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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1534057 - 11/06/09 11:01 AM (128.38.121.51)

What does "delivery date" mean? I'm guessing it's not the completion date because the land hasn't been cleared yet and I can't fathom that they could get it totally built by next spring.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: DogResqer]
      #1538447 - 11/26/09 11:46 AM (66.82.9.82)

My understanding is that delivery date means that the empty structures will be in place... add on about 6 - 9 months of build out and stocking for WalMart... would put a grand opening about this time next year.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1539391 - 12/01/09 10:41 PM (72.171.0.144)

I think the L3 area is just a booster station for the fiber optic cable going down 301. Great for internet connections and such, but no office space.
Also heard that UMW will be building the first of two large school buildings, with green roofs and other such eco-friendly features.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: MarinerMan]
      #1554368 - 02/05/10 04:46 PM (71.161.63.154)

any new updates on this project? Man I can't wait. I need a new memory card for my camera and it would be nice not to have to drive 30 minutes to get one.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: hokie]
      #1554427 - 02/05/10 07:05 PM (173.72.232.214)

Rumors have been that Walmart is waiting to see the outcome of the Orange county fiasco. That was just in court again earlier this week, but no results from that hearing (on whether to dismiss the case challenging the Orange County BoS decision to proceed) have been announced.

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      #1562163 - 03/12/10 08:02 PM (71.161.56.24)

If you look at the KLNB website it now says Autozone, Quiznos, and Verizon will be in the shopping center. It says Pad delivery July 2010, Inline delivery Jan 2011 and Walmart Spring 2011.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: hokie]
      #1565009 - 03/26/10 07:42 AM (138.162.8.58)

From the front page today:
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It's official. Walmart will be the anchor of the new King George Gateway shopping center that will be built near Dahlgren

Date published: 3/26/2010

By Cathy Jett


KING GEORGE COUNTY residents have wanted a Walmart for years.

Now they're finally going to get one.

As many have suspected, the retail giant will be building a Supercenter in the new King George Gateway shopping center. Construction is expected to begin in July and be completed by spring of 2011.

Gateway, which fronts State Route 310, sits between Gate B of the Naval Surface Warfare Center at Dahlgren, a proposed hotel site and what will become the University of Mary Washington's Dahlgren Educational and Research Center.

Construction will get under way on the first phase of the shopping center next month and should be done by next spring. Once it opens, Gateway is expected to draw people from throughout the Northern Neck, including some of the base's roughly 10,000 employees, according to KLNB Retail, the commercial real estate company handling the leases.

The anchor store in Phase I of the project will be the Walmart, which at the 147,806 square feet will be smaller than the 184,368-square-foot store that opened last October on U.S. 17 in Stafford County.

Like that store, it will have the company's latest design, which includes a more spacious, less-cluttered layout with clear line of sight from one end of the store to the other.

Three other retailers also have signed leases: an AutoZone, Quiznos and a Verizon wireless store. They, too, are expected next spring.

"We'd love to get more sit-down restaurants, quick-service restaurants, dry goods and service retailers in Phase I," said Dimitri Georgelakos, who arranges and manages leases for KLNB's Tysons Corner office.

Gateway's second phase will include additional retailers, including one large retailer now. He said he is negotiating with the company but can't say who it is yet.

"There have been rumors that it's Lowe's," said Georgelakos. "It's not Lowe's."

Meanwhile, UMW is moving ahead with plans for its center at Dahlgren. Site work is expected to begin this summer, and the first building is expected to take 16 months to complete. The ceremonial groundbreaking has been delayed until fall due to weather conditions and site access, said spokeswoman Christine Neuberger.

In other news, the Marine Corps Marathon is taking a step toward sustainability by giving online goody bags filled with digital coupons and other offerings to runners participating in the Marine Corps Historic Half marathon or the Semper Fred 5K being held May 16 in Fredericksburg.

Marathon organizers also have partnered with Fredericksburg's Downtown Retail Marketing Inc. to offer discounts, shopping incentives and restaurant specials to the public from May 14 to 16. The city will provide free shuttle service from the Healthy Lifestyle Expo at the Fredericksburg Expo & Conference Center to downtown from 11 a.m. to 8 p.m. May 15, as well.

Cathy Jett: 540/374-5407
Email: cjett@freelancestar.com

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My only question is. KLNB says Lowe's isn't coming in Phase II, well if you look at the latest plan the second largest square footage is in phase III. Is this just a play on words? Even if Lowe's doesn't come I would still love to see some other home improvement store come in..True Value just isn't cutting it.

And why is the reporter throwing another story in this piece? I'm no jouralist by any means but that just killed the flow of the article, the other news isn't even in the same county. Oh well....


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1565033 - 03/26/10 09:10 AM (24.245.106.90)

No Lowe's, but....a Home Depot would be sweet!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: typingmom]
      #1565058 - 03/26/10 10:46 AM (198.91.70.120)

I'm wondering how they are going to deal with the weekend traffic, in particular Sunday afternoon/evening. Everyone going north, trying to get over the bridge in the summer. The traffic sometimes backs up to the Circle! Throw a big shopping center in that mess and it will be awful.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: DogResqer]
      #1565061 - 03/26/10 11:03 AM (65.210.16.2)

The locals (like me) will adjust and not go there on Sunday afternoons.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: DogResqer]
      #1565103 - 03/26/10 02:32 PM (138.162.8.58)

I think it was last spring or summer we received a flyer from MDOT with about 7 options of how they would improve the bridge.

Summer traffic on that bridge is definitely nasty!


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1565104 - 03/26/10 02:50 PM (198.91.70.120)

Didn't both the base and the KG BOS reject all the plans though?

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      #1565132 - 03/26/10 05:50 PM (71.161.49.135)

That I don't or didn't know. I know they couldn't encroach on the base side. I think they wanted to use some land on the base side for a contractor laydown (for equipment parking etc.) and I can see the base saying no.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1565153 - 03/26/10 07:26 PM (74.214.40.132)

Ya' know none of this is gonna happen, right? I mean, there's gotta be some NIMBYs out there that are going to have a mental breakdown from this much activity this close to them... or something equally implausible...

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: rally2xs]
      #1565155 - 03/26/10 07:28 PM (74.214.40.132)

And of course they'll just have to rip the whole thing up later when they build the 2nd bridge for the 4-lane crossing.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1565196 - 03/27/10 07:42 AM (75.227.234.109)

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That I don't or didn't know. I know they couldn't encroach on the base side. I think they wanted to use some land on the base side for a contractor laydown (for equipment parking etc.) and I can see the base saying no.




Considering ALL of the "things" we the citizens of King George put up with concerning the Base, you'd think they'd be more than willing to help the citizens in return??... "IF" they want to play hardball and not be willing to bend, then at EVERY opportunity we citizens need to play hardball with them... IMHO the Welcome Center could be re-located and the "second" bridge placed there. I believe it would be easier, quicker and less expensive to build a second bridge and have 2 lanes one way and 2 lanes the other way


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: comehere]
      #1565331 - 03/27/10 10:00 PM (72.82.64.87)

Sorry Comerhere, but once again I have to disagree with you. Dalhgren has been here a whole lot longer then you or I. It has provided jobs for many people from many counties in this area. (me for one) It is a military base, and unless you have worked there, I doubt if you have any idea what goes on behind those fences. It plays a very large part in your & my freedom. It don't need any outside intruders inside those fences.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: comehere]
      #1565333 - 03/27/10 10:53 PM (71.161.44.51)

The bridge (and the river) are part of Maryland, not King George.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: BeachBum]
      #1565358 - 03/28/10 08:01 AM (75.197.241.209)

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Sorry Comerhere, but once again I have to disagree with you. Dalhgren has been here a whole lot longer then you or I. It has provided jobs for many people from many counties in this area. (me for one) It is a military base, and unless you have worked there, I doubt if you have any idea what goes on behind those fences. It plays a very large part in your & my freedom. It don't need any outside intruders inside those fences.




I agree with you on this one BeachBum, I spoke/typed a bit too quickly.... I too am appreciative of what Dahlgren offers our Country... HOWEVER, re-fencing the small corner of their land by the river wouldn't require much of an expense and security would be a breeze... HOWEVER as I said in my previous post I believe the best spot for the second bridge is the Welcome Center.... BeachBum I truly believe that "one day you and I will be on the same page",,, I ALWAYS respect your opinions even though I may not always agree with them....


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      #1566555 - 04/04/10 07:17 PM (160.145.255.14)

Quote:

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Sorry Comerhere, but once again I have to disagree with you. Dalhgren has been here a whole lot longer then you or I. It has provided jobs for many people from many counties in this area. (me for one) It is a military base, and unless you have worked there, I doubt if you have any idea what goes on behind those fences. It plays a very large part in your & my freedom. It don't need any outside intruders inside those fences.




I agree with you on this one BeachBum, I spoke/typed a bit too quickly.... I too am appreciative of what Dahlgren offers our Country... HOWEVER, re-fencing the small corner of their land by the river wouldn't require much of an expense and security would be a breeze... HOWEVER as I said in my previous post I believe the best spot for the second bridge is the Welcome Center.... BeachBum I truly believe that "one day you and I will be on the same page",,, I ALWAYS respect your opinions even though I may not always agree with them....




The biggest reason Dahlgren likely will not (and cannot) budge is the Chem-Bio Center located just inside the fence along the river. IMHO, it was a mistake putting it there in the first place (should have been put farther away from a public highway), but now that it's there it needs the minimal standoff it has from U.S. 301. The last public release I saw from MdTA indicated they were leaning towards building a slightly larger 3-lane bridge to the north of the existing one, and continuing with scheduled renovations to the current bridge. Of course, they would have to re-construct the toll plaza (again) and administration building. That would more than double the existing lanes and for a fraction of the cost to build a single bridge with the same capacity. That will likely mean the end of Aqua-Land, Dahlgren Wayside and a sizeable chunk of Barnsfield Park. The Welcome Center is unlikely to re-open without financial support from the County (and I don't see that happening), so a permanent loss of that structure isn't really an issue.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: SwampThing2]
      #1574917 - 05/11/10 07:20 AM (138.163.0.41)

Driving by this morning I noticed a new sign up, "Perry Site Engineering". Aren't they suppose to start around summer?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1574920 - 05/11/10 07:32 AM (74.214.49.77)

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Driving by this morning I noticed a new sign up, "Perry Site Engineering". Aren't they suppose to start around summer?




Ha ha! So funny. The 1st post in this thread is 6/8/06, and now we're speculating that someone is going to get started in the summer? If the midwest folks, where real industry happens, dilly-dallied like this, you'd still be driving Model T's. It'd be a real hoot if it wasn't so tragic. And me with a "thing" about delays that raises my blood pressure when things are proceeding like snail snot. Gotta retire... move away... to a place with some grasp on the reality that delays are inefficient, costly, and to be avoided.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: rally2xs]
      #1575445 - 05/12/10 10:38 PM (71.168.0.18)

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Ha ha! So funny. The 1st post in this thread is 6/8/06, and now we're speculating that someone is going to get started in the summer? If the midwest folks, where real industry happens, dilly-dallied like this, you'd still be driving Model T's.




Oh, I wouldn't go so far as to say all the midwest is so zippy. I lived--endured--a few years in Indiana, and it was even more pathetic than here! Folks from the great Hoosier state also have no clue that there are other states in the country besides their inbred one. So be careful where you move.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: rally2xs]
      #1575588 - 05/13/10 03:06 PM (138.163.0.44)

Quote:

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Driving by this morning I noticed a new sign up, "Perry Site Engineering". Aren't they suppose to start around summer?




Ha ha! So funny. The 1st post in this thread is 6/8/06, and now we're speculating that someone is going to get started in the summer? If the midwest folks, where real industry happens, dilly-dallied like this, you'd still be driving Model T's. It'd be a real hoot if it wasn't so tragic. And me with a "thing" about delays that raises my blood pressure when things are proceeding like snail snot. Gotta retire... move away... to a place with some grasp on the reality that delays are inefficient, costly, and to be avoided.




Do you actually read any articles on this site or just troll around? I say the latter.

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http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2010/032010/03262010/536332

King George's first Walmart should be ready to open by next spring

It's official. Walmart will be the anchor of the new King George Gateway shopping center that will be built near

Dahlgren
Date published: 3/26/2010
By Cathy Jett

KING GEORGE COUNTY residents have wanted a Walmart for years.

Now they're finally going to get one.

As many have suspected, the retail giant will be building a Supercenter in the new King George Gateway shopping center. Construction is expected to begin in July and be completed by spring of 2011.

Gateway, which fronts State Route 310, sits between Gate B of the Naval Surface Warfare Center at Dahlgren, a proposed hotel site and what will become the University of Mary Washington's Dahlgren Educational and Research Center.

Construction will get under way on the first phase of the shopping center next month and should be done by next spring. Once it opens, Gateway is expected to draw people from throughout the Northern Neck, including some of the base's roughly 10,000 employees, according to KLNB Retail, the commercial real estate company handling the leases.

The anchor store in Phase I of the project will be the Walmart, which at the 147,806 square feet will be smaller than the 184,368-square-foot store that opened last October on U.S. 17 in Stafford County.

Like that store, it will have the company's latest design, which includes a more spacious, less-cluttered layout with clear line of sight from one end of the store to the other.

Three other retailers also have signed leases: an AutoZone, Quiznos and a Verizon wireless store. They, too, are expected next spring.

"We'd love to get more sit-down restaurants, quick-service restaurants, dry goods and service retailers in Phase I," said Dimitri Georgelakos, who arranges and manages leases for KLNB's Tysons Corner office.

Gateway's second phase will include additional retailers, including one large retailer now. He said he is negotiating with the company but can't say who it is yet.

"There have been rumors that it's Lowe's," said Georgelakos. "It's not Lowe's."

Meanwhile, UMW is moving ahead with plans for its center at Dahlgren. Site work is expected to begin this summer, and the first building is expected to take 16 months to complete. The ceremonial groundbreaking has been delayed until fall due to weather conditions and site access, said spokeswoman Christine Neuberger.

In other news, the Marine Corps Marathon is taking a step toward sustainability by giving online goody bags filled with digital coupons and other offerings to runners participating in the Marine Corps Historic Half marathon or the Semper Fred 5K being held May 16 in Fredericksburg.

Marathon organizers also have partnered with Fredericksburg's Downtown Retail Marketing Inc. to offer discounts, shopping incentives and restaurant specials to the public from May 14 to 16. The city will provide free shuttle service from the Healthy Lifestyle Expo at the Fredericksburg Expo & Conference Center to downtown from 11 a.m. to 8 p.m. May 15, as well.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1576210 - 05/16/10 06:34 PM (71.161.44.191)

I have also seen a log skidder moving into that area. Friday morning I seen several pickup trucks heading into the area. Looks like they are starting to log the area before site clearing begins.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: FreeChoice]
      #1576936 - 05/19/10 02:24 PM (72.214.41.134)

Article posted two days ago titled "Dirt Moves on King George Gateway" - http://www.globest.com/news/1664_1664/washington/185047-1.html

Looks like construction is under way...


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: typingmom]
      #1577091 - 05/19/10 09:36 PM (24.245.106.126)

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No Lowe's, but....a Home Depot would be sweet!




If it is not Home Depot then my guess would be Kolh's.

Now some other guesses would be:
PetSmart, Marshalls, or Office Depot.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1577272 - 05/20/10 02:55 PM (138.162.8.57)

If I'm not mistaken this guy in the article was talking about the phase 2 development. Well if you look at the land survey drawing a few posts up there is no way in my opinion a Lowe's or Home Depot would go in there let alone right beside Wal-Mart. But I'm willing to bet in phase 3 of the project there will be. Just my opinion...in any event I'm glad I won't have to drive a hour and a half to pick up something quick. Oh and any competition to Food Lion would only be a bonus.

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      #1577286 - 05/20/10 03:51 PM (74.214.48.19)

Lowes dropped out of the picture a long time ago, telling the real estate agent something to the effect that "cows don't buy hammers."

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      #1583086 - 06/17/10 11:51 AM (74.214.48.19)

Drove by the site on 301 yesterday and was startled to see how much land has been cleared and graded. After all of these years of having nothing but trees on that side of the road it is a radical change of scenery across from the Comfort Inn.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1583138 - 06/17/10 05:09 PM (157.127.155.214)

I've just added some pictures of the site, taken a few minutes ago.

Here's the start of the gallery.


Front site to the left (south) of Commerce Drive


Gravel road is the northwestward extension of Commerce Drive into the site.


View of intersection of 301 and Commerce Drive


Large pile of brush, just starting to burn.


Equipment adding the brush to the pile for burning.


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      #1583197 - 06/18/10 09:01 AM (24.245.106.126)

Thanks for posting the pics.... I have taken several of the before shots but have not had a chance to capture any of the working in progress.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1583210 - 06/18/10 10:07 AM (198.91.70.120)

The pollution and raping of the land has started...can't wait for the traffic lights, congestion, and riff-raff to show up!

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      #1583279 - 06/18/10 03:54 PM (74.214.48.19)

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The pollution and raping of the land has started...can't wait for the traffic lights, congestion, and riff-raff to show up!



Looks like some of the riff-raff has already come here...

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      #1583296 - 06/18/10 05:55 PM (157.127.124.15)

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The pollution and raping of the land has started...can't wait for the traffic lights, congestion, and riff-raff to show up!



I can't speak to the congestion or riff-raff, but as a commuter who must enter Route 301 from Commerce drive each evening, that traffic light cannot come soon enough. There have been people killed in that intersection. We heard that VDOT had planned to install a light there a couple years ago, but my personal theory is that once they heard about the new development, they dropped their plans in favor of letting the developer pay for it, perhaps even years later. It's always a rude awakening when you realize that our government sees human life to have limited value.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: TPKeller]
      #1583570 - 06/20/10 08:01 PM (71.168.0.23)

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Quote:

The pollution and raping of the land has started...can't wait for the traffic lights, congestion, and riff-raff to show up!



I can't speak to the congestion or riff-raff, but as a commuter who must enter Route 301 from Commerce drive each evening, that traffic light cannot come soon enough. There have been people killed in that intersection. We heard that VDOT had planned to install a light there a couple years ago, but my personal theory is that once they heard about the new development, they dropped their plans in favor of letting the developer pay for it, perhaps even years later. It's always a rude awakening when you realize that our government sees human life to have limited value.




Amen..to both the above posts! Evening traffic coming out of there is a nightmare!

Anyone hear of anything else about other stores yet? I haven't but I do try to keep tabs on the KLNB site.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1583598 - 06/21/10 06:36 AM (75.192.168.204)

I can't wait for the STORES and JOBS that will become available, Both are in short supply in this area..

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: TPKeller]
      #1583622 - 06/21/10 11:59 AM (67.130.46.194)

Are these photos of the work zone at the corner of Route 3 and Route 301, across Route 3 from the Sheetz?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Sherlock]
      #1583624 - 06/21/10 12:26 PM (74.214.48.19)

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Are these photos of the work zone at the corner of Route 3 and Route 301, across Route 3 from the Sheetz?



No, they were taken on or near where Commerce Drive meets 301 in Dahlgren, near the Comfort Inn. They are facing north.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: NickDanger]
      #1583746 - 06/22/10 11:16 AM (24.245.106.18)

King George has forever lost the rural character and charm. The new Wal Mart shopping Center is just the start. Those clamoring for this center will one day be sorry. When traffic is bottle necked from the Potomac all the way to the Caroline County line on a week day with the same old big box retailers, fast food dumps and gas retailers some of you will cry for the good old days of driving to Fredericksburg or La Plata and Waldorf. The barn door has been left open and the horses are never again to return. Suckers.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: NickDanger]
      #1583748 - 06/22/10 11:34 AM (157.127.155.214)

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Are these photos of the work zone at the corner of Route 3 and Route 301, across Route 3 from the Sheetz?




No, they were taken on or near where Commerce Drive meets 301 in Dahlgren, near the Comfort Inn. They are facing north.



North-northwest actually. It's a bit confusing in this area. Route 301 runs generally North/South, which would normally mean a view would be to the west, but the road takes a brief turn almost due east to cross the river, which makes the view here north-northwest.

Here's the spot from which the photos were taken:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=&t=h&q=38.348497%2C-77.056416

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: PawtomackRiver]
      #1583764 - 06/22/10 01:32 PM (70.104.164.71)

AMEN !!! PawtomackRiver. If all these people who want to change our lifestyle, why did'nt they stay where they were, and STOP CHANGING OUR WAY OF LIFE !!!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: PawtomackRiver]
      #1583828 - 06/22/10 07:48 PM (74.214.55.104)

Really? Must have been a horrible day for you when they changed the way of life by puting blacktop on the roads here. Sad

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Rono]
      #1583881 - 06/22/10 09:59 PM (74.214.48.19)

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Really? Must have been a horrible day for you when they changed the way of life by puting blacktop on the roads here. Sad




I agree. Getting electricity and hot and cold running water (not to mention television) must have been a positively traumatic experience.

I'm not a big fan of Wal-Mart, but it WILL change my way of life. It will change my way of life by letting me spend my retail $ here in King George and send some tax revenue to the county that is currently being collected by Fredericksburg.. It will change my way of life by saving me the gas, time, and expense of a 60-mile round trip to Fred to encounter some decent retail. It will change my way of life by providing jobs (OK, not great ones, but jobs nevertheless) to my unemployed friends and neighbors. Since perhaps some of you folks who rail against these developments are probably seniors or within a few years from it, has it ever occurred to you that a source of good local retail will help young families? They will save all of the same gas, time, and travel that others will. Or do you not want to help young families? You doom and gloomers who wanted to raise the drawbridge and mine the moat AFTER you got here need to get on with your own lives and quit complaining. Funny thing is that many of you will happily shop there, albiet with a sheepish look on your face.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: BeachBum]
      #1583904 - 06/23/10 06:54 AM (69.97.210.86)

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AMEN !!! PawtomackRiver. If all these people who want to change our lifestyle, why did'nt they stay where they were, and STOP CHANGING OUR WAY OF LIFE !!!




BeachBum, STAY IN YOUR OWN COUNTY!!! all you ever do is COMPLAIN???... we don't want you or your outdated opinions however we will accept your dollars at OUR Walmart..... Welcome to the 21st century, it's been long overdue!!


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: TPKeller]
      #1584382 - 06/24/10 12:36 PM (67.130.46.194)

Thank you, TPKeller, for the map location. Does anyone know what is going in on the land that is being graded beside Sheetz, at the corner of Rt 301 and Rt 3?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Sherlock]
      #1584390 - 06/24/10 12:53 PM (198.91.70.120)

Isn't that the location for the CVS?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: DogResqer]
      #1584431 - 06/24/10 01:45 PM (24.245.106.90)

Yes...that's the site of the new CVS pharmacy

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: comehere]
      #1584516 - 06/24/10 04:55 PM (72.82.66.198)

Ah Comehere, be nice. I'll just go to Tappahannock in stead of getting into that mess you will have there.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: BeachBum]
      #1584532 - 06/24/10 06:22 PM (208.103.158.28)

Tappahannock is the perfect example of a cluster confusion (substititute for another word). Traffic through and south of town is a mess. The road through the town proper cannot be widened. Even with the growth on the south side of town, there are vacant buildings and stores going out of business. Local businesses that were here for many years have closed. The small town atmosphere is gone. I have lived here all of my life and I hate it!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: comehere]
      #1585192 - 06/27/10 08:16 PM (72.82.70.205)

Hey Comehere, was'nt it Colonial Beach Police Department that you were complaining about their sign and also the post office? I believe they are in Westmoreland County. I believe we should PRATICE WHAT WE PREACH DON'T YOU?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: BeachBum]
      #1585208 - 06/28/10 06:14 AM (75.192.189.50)

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Hey Comehere, was'nt it Colonial Beach Police Department that you were complaining about their sign and also the post office? I believe they are in Westmoreland County. I believe we should PRATICE WHAT WE PREACH DON'T YOU?




YOUR Post Office finally (after 4 years) replaced their "C" in their name "- olonial Post Office".... The Police Dept. still has the Blue masking tape on their sign?? painters "usually" remove the masking tape when they are finished yet 2 years later and the tape is still there??.... PS, I "try" to spend some of my $$$ in your Town however there isn't many places to spend it.... HOWEVER, WALMART will get my dollars soon!!!... BeachBum please don't take it too personal but at every instance/opportunity for growth you seem to "freak out". Look at what resisting change and growth has done for YOUR TOWN of CB, one would think that "time and history" have taught you a lesson.... FYI, RT.301 will NEVER be a road of small strip malls like in Tappahanock or Waldorf..


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: comehere]
      #1585850 - 06/29/10 11:12 PM (71.253.243.16)

I'll bet all these new people who want all these big stores that are taking away our lifestyle, have never planted a field of corn or wheat, or gone deer hunting,racoon hunting, rabbit hunting, squirle hunting, why they probliiy have never pulled 200 crab pots or worked a set of oyster tungs in their whole life. WELL PEOPLE, THAT HAS BEEN OUR LIFE STYLE FOR CENTERIES !!!! Comehere, you say I complain / freak out, well you call it what you want, but I call it protesting. You say get in to the 21 centery, WELL 21 IS JUST A NUMBER!!! Your lifestyle is what makes life worth living. I'm sorry, but I just don't like it when people come in our area, and try to tell me I have to change what we have been doing for centeries, because they don't like it.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: BeachBum]
      #1585861 - 06/30/10 06:49 AM (75.197.225.61)

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I'll bet all these new people who want all these big stores that are taking away our lifestyle, have never planted a field of corn or wheat, or gone deer hunting,racoon hunting, rabbit hunting, squirle hunting, why they probliiy have never pulled 200 crab pots or worked a set of oyster tungs in their whole life. WELL PEOPLE, THAT HAS BEEN OUR LIFE STYLE FOR CENTERIES !!!! Comehere, you say I complain / freak out, well you call it what you want, but I call it protesting. You say get in to the 21 centery, WELL 21 IS JUST A NUMBER!!! Your lifestyle is what makes life worth living. I'm sorry, but I just don't like it when people come in our area, and try to tell me I have to change what we have been doing for centeries, because they don't like it.




No disrespect is meant in my observations BeachBum and I can completely understand where you're coming from....HOWEVER!!.... Just because you and a "few" others want to "protest" growth doesn't mean that we who want it have to listen. "If" we as a Nation and World refused to grow we'd still "be hunting squirrels for FOOD and not recreation".... By the way, "do you hunt with a Rock and Stick or do you prefer a more modern tool such as a GUN???".. BTW what does hunting, crabbing and tending fields have to do with a Walmart thats 10 miles from your Town?? I've NEVER seen anyone tending the fields/woods where the New Walmart is going??? Grasp this newfound freedom for what it is, POSITIVE GROWTH!! not only will this represent a vast improvement in life for the residents of KG it will also make our county a more attractive enviorment for NEW Business's that are looking to re-locate, now the County will have something to offer their possible new employees.....


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: comehere]
      #1587557 - 07/08/10 07:53 PM (71.253.252.73)

I hope no one was unlucky enough to be in the backup on North bound 301 Monday evening. The traffic was solid and standing still all the way from the bridge all the way up 301 to the stop light at Rt #218. The only gaps in the line was at the stoplights where drivers were nice enough to leave space for drivers to get across the hiway. JUST THINK, WAL MART AND CVS ARE'NT EVEN THERE YET !!!!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: BeachBum]
      #1587559 - 07/08/10 08:36 PM (70.4.152.79)

This is no different from any other summer weekend. Actually, it may have been better than usual since it's normally backed up to the 205 (Ridge Road) intersection. I brought up this issue several posts back. The problem will remain, with or without WallMart, until something is done to improve the bridge.

Everyone that lives in the Dahlgren area knows to stay away from the Nice bridge on Friday evenings and Sunday evenings in the summer. It's been this way for years.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: DogResqer]
      #1587562 - 07/08/10 08:55 PM (71.161.52.152)

there was an accident on the bridge earlier that evening. i came across southbound from ocean city to avoid the beltway and 95 suthbound traffic

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: BeachBum]
      #1587569 - 07/09/10 12:14 AM (173.72.219.17)

Think of all that extra tax revenue the county will be making from the frustrated motorists, who will pull off and eat dinner while waiting for the traffic to clear!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: TPKeller]
      #1587590 - 07/09/10 08:01 AM (70.4.152.79)

Hopefully there will be some other options.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: DogResqer]
      #1594504 - 08/11/10 03:00 PM (71.161.40.157)

I can't wait to spend in KG, instead of giving my money to Stafford/ Fredericksburg.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: RlyWife]
      #1594505 - 08/11/10 03:01 PM (65.210.16.2)

Me too!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1607175 - 10/21/10 02:49 PM (134.223.116.200)

Just noticed that the first walls are going up.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: TPKeller]
      #1608846 - 11/01/10 08:25 PM (24.245.106.126)

They are using a very different type of construction... prefabricated walls instead of the old cinder block construction. At first I thought it looked small till I noticed a dump truck sitting next to the wall.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1609291 - 11/03/10 08:12 PM (71.161.60.8)

I've seen this type of construction before. Where the contractor actually pours the walls as slabs on the ground then uses a crane to lift them up and into place. It's pretty amazing actually.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1609327 - 11/04/10 07:22 AM (72.214.41.108)

this is how muvico/splitsville at the spotsy towne center was built. part of the bass pro shop and gander mountain in ashland were also built this way. it's faster than using masonry construction.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: TPKeller]
      #1610444 - 11/10/10 07:50 PM (157.127.124.15)

Here are some photos, taken 11/9/10.

KG Gateway Sign:


Full view of Walmart shell, that's the Commerce Drive extension leading back and to the left of the building:


Left side:


Right side:


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1610445 - 11/10/10 07:52 PM (157.127.124.15)

I believe I saw some sections of the wall coming in on a flatbed truck, leading me to conclude that they are not pouring these walls on site, but shipping in from somewhere else.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: TPKeller]
      #1610497 - 11/11/10 07:33 AM (72.214.41.108)

judging by the number of braces on the walls, i would say you are correct. they are most likely insulated precast concrete wall panels that are 10-12 feet wide.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: 4hntng]
      #1612040 - 11/17/10 10:51 PM (71.161.60.85)

Just saw on the KLNB site that a Firestone store and a Nail place are slated to go in as well as AutoZone, Gamestop, Verizon Wireless, and Hair Cuttery. Also looks like an opening date is stated as July 11, 2011.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1612062 - 11/18/10 07:32 AM (75.192.189.176)

Any word on a Waffle House or someplace to eat breakfast??.... Can't wait!!!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: comehere]
      #1612597 - 11/20/10 04:31 PM (74.214.48.195)

Here's a few more images I took today, since I live practically next to it











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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Les_Govt]
      #1613417 - 11/24/10 05:42 PM (173.44.66.124)

How about getting Five Guys or an In & Out Burger. Would love to also see something like a Ruby Tuesday or Chili's.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: rememberdrs]
      #1619087 - 12/30/10 11:47 PM (173.44.65.49)

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How about getting Five Guys or an In & Out Burger. Would love to also see something like a Ruby Tuesday or Chili's.




Looking at KLBN website I see that 5 GUYS IS COMING




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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1619088 - 12/30/10 11:52 PM (173.44.65.49)

I also noticed that the Video Game store is no longer showing. Still crossing my fingers that we can get a National restaurant Denny' chain.s, Ruby's...

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1619089 - 12/31/10 12:29 AM (24.245.106.90)

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I also noticed that the Video Game store is no longer showing. Still crossing my fingers that we can get a National restaurant Denny' chain.s, Ruby's...




Game Stop should still be coming. The guy who owns / manages the Game Stop in Massaponax will be managing the KG store. That was the plan when we spoke to him right before Christmas at his Massaponax store.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: typingmom]
      #1622865 - 01/21/11 11:58 AM (69.19.14.18)

Does anyone know when the Indian restaurant is expected to open?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: typingmom]
      #1624839 - 01/31/11 01:06 PM (192.31.106.35)

I really really wish they would put in a Panera Bread or a Noodles & Company or Chickfila!

I'm really looking forward to the new traffic light. Getting out of the technology park across the street is very dangerous!


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: MelliJellyBean1]
      #1624840 - 01/31/11 01:08 PM (65.210.16.2)

I just wanna know when Steamers is opening up!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: MelliJellyBean1]
      #1624907 - 01/31/11 06:22 PM (71.161.58.142)

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I really really wish they would put in a Panera Bread or a Noodles & Company or Chickfila!

I'm really looking forward to the new traffic light. Getting out of the technology park across the street is very dangerous!




I would take the last one...not too keen on Noodle & Co. never ate at Panera Bread..any good?

and can I get a AMEN for the traffic light! In the evening I just go down to the intersection...it's less headache!

According to Steamer's web site "Coming Soon to Dahlgren". You just have to love the word soon....
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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1624914 - 01/31/11 07:10 PM (173.44.66.45)

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and can I get a AMEN for the traffic light! In the evening I just go down to the intersection...it's less headache!




Good grief! ANOTHER flippin traffic light? Hey, lets put one every 100 yards all the way up and down 301 and 3 into F'burg. Shouldn't take us more than 8 hours to get home from the base. Geeezzz... you need a light, you need to learn to drive...

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1630901 - 03/04/11 02:42 PM (216.81.94.71)

Just checked the KLNB brochure. Walmart is now scheduled to open on 8/17/11. Mary Washington Campus is showing January 2012.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1636198 - 04/01/11 03:17 PM (155.104.37.18)

They've finished installing the traffic light hardware... it is not yet functional. I stopped and asked one of the workers, and of course he had no idea when they were going to turn them on.

They have also installed the in-ground loop metal detectors in all the traffic lanes, including detectors in the main lanes on Route 301. Those particular detectors allow the lights to start their cycle when a "break" in through traffic is detected.

Probably the most interesting thing about that is that the distance back from the intersection for these through traffic detectors would strongly suggest to me that we will be seeing a reduction in speed limit prior to the beginning of operation of these traffic lights.

There are similar traffic detectors on the light at Route 3 and Hopyard Farms, where the speed limit is still 55, and those detectors are quite a bit farther back than these here on Route 301 at the Walmart.

The interesting question will be how much of Route 301 will be dropping in speed limit... will they just extend the 45 MPH all the way from Route 206 through the new light? Or will they make an isolated reduced limit area...


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: TPKeller]
      #1639234 - 04/20/11 09:26 PM (173.44.65.49)

The traffic light will be operational on 21 April 2011.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1639235 - 04/20/11 09:35 PM (173.44.65.49)

Final plat approved in shopping center

Walmart grand opening rescheduled for August 17, 2011. The King George Gateway retail development in Dahlgren continues to proceed, with approvals granted last week for a final site plan for five retail spaces with roadside visibility from U.S. 301 (James Madison Pkwy).

SOURCE: http://www.journalpress.com/king-george/2582-final-plat-approved-in-shopping-center


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1639236 - 04/20/11 09:36 PM (173.44.65.49)

Access to the site is being provided by two commercial entrances from U.S. 301. The stores will be served by internal roads and not have separate driveway entrances from the main highway. Jack Green, Director of Community Development, reminded the Planning Commission that it had previously approved the final plat that created the pad site and it was time to review and approve details of the residual acres. The Planning Commission voted unanimously to approve the King George Gateway Subdivision Final Plat, which contains five lots zoned for commercial uses. One has been earmarked for a bank and another planned to contain an AutoZone store, for which a building permit has been submitted. They will be served by water and sewer provided by the King George Service Authority.

SOURCE: http://www.journalpress.com/king-george/2582-final-plat-approved-in-shopping-center


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1639237 - 04/20/11 09:38 PM (173.44.65.49)

WALMART TO OPEN AUG. 17 A grand opening for the Walmart Supercenter is still scheduled for late summer, now a few days earlier than previously announced. Developer Edward A. Murphy of OMZ King George LLC and owner of Realty Development Services told The Journal last week that Aug. 17, 2011, is the new date set for the Walmart grand opening. The anchor store of the 124-acre development will be the 152,000 square foot Walmart Supercenter.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1643804 - 05/29/11 04:34 PM (173.44.65.49)


Walmart Job Center Packs the Parking lot.

Business was brisk at the offfice in the Dahlgren Shopping Center as people lined up for jobs at the new Walmart. According to Manager Robert Belcher, the firm interviewed 300 people. As one employee said, "It was crazy!"



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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1643806 - 05/29/11 04:40 PM (173.44.65.49)

I took a drive around the shopping center... noticed that the construction on the college was well underway.

The spots for the 5 Guys and Autozone were marked ready for construction... hard to see while driving... but one of them had concrete footings being poured.


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Re: Bollywood Masala Indian Restaurant [Re: orangecat]
      #1644349 - 06/01/11 09:44 PM (71.168.2.207)

The restaurant is open. They have a lunch buffet but I highly recommend ordering off the menu. They have some incredible dishes, like Kashmiri or Mango Chicken or Lamb. The Naan breads are made fresh also and are excellent. I've never had better indian food than what this family makes. Guru in Fburg has nothing on Bollywood. OH, they make fantastic cakes which are not on the menu!

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Re: Bollywood Masala Indian Restaurant [Re: revstire]
      #1648781 - 07/01/11 01:08 PM (173.44.65.49)

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The restaurant is open. They have a lunch buffet but I highly recommend ordering off the menu. They have some incredible dishes, like Kashmiri or Mango Chicken or Lamb. The Naan breads are made fresh also and are excellent. I've never had better indian food than what this family makes. Guru in Fburg has nothing on Bollywood. OH, they make fantastic cakes which are not on the menu!




Bollywood is not associated with the King George Gateway Shopping center... someone has created a post on this restaurant... suggest you post there as we want to limit postings on this thread only to this shopping center... THANKS!


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1648782 - 07/01/11 01:10 PM (173.44.65.49)

The Auto-zone is being put up very quickly... only about 6 more weeks until WAL-MART OPENS!!!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1652171 - 07/26/11 09:40 AM (214.28.226.87)

ONLY 3 WEEKS LEFT TILL WALMART OPENS!!!


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1653695 - 08/03/11 09:34 AM (173.44.67.89)

ATTENTION SHOPPERS....

Only Two Weeks Left Until Walmart Opens!!!!



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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: typingmom]
      #1656513 - 08/22/11 06:32 PM (74.214.39.44)

Well it's open...now what do we talk about?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: CbtEngr]
      #1656561 - 08/22/11 10:16 PM (74.214.49.45)

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Well it's open...now what do we talk about?




Probably talk about the route for the new bridge, that will likely run right THRU the new WM, and force it to be torn down for the new road...

Just kidding...

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: rally2xs]
      #1657169 - 08/26/11 07:26 AM (74.214.49.45)

Naw, I'm feelin' it now... the next topic will be people bitching about the new power line for Dahlgren.

Someone's prolly gonna complain it bothers their "view", in spite of the fact that the single, only view available in KG county is a wall of trees.

While I don't want a 250KV power line to go directly over top the house, so if a line falls I get fried, simply seeing it from where I live would not be a problem for me. I've seen lots of power lines before, I don't notice them after a while, and its just no big deal.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: rally2xs]
      #1657374 - 08/27/11 01:50 PM (173.44.65.49)

As the originator of this posting... This will continue to be the thread to post information about the King George Gateway Shopping Center. So I hope that others will create another thread to talk about other issues effecting King George.

Please remember that Walmart is just one of the many tenants of the King George Gateway Shopping Center. This is just phase one...

I will and encourage others to as well to post information and pictures as new places come in.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1660966 - 09/30/11 10:49 AM (74.214.42.190)

Ok, I went to the new Walmart in King George. It is a nice, new clean store. I loved the new shopping carts. Not new and improved. They are just like all the other Walmart carts - just new. I hate how all the old ones thump, thump, thump through the store.

I doubt I will ever make it back to the King George Walmart even though I like keeping my money in the county when I can. It is 14 miles for me to drive to the KG Walmart and 15 miles to drive to the Ferry Farm Walmart.

Since I usually stop by Walmart while I'm in F'burg already, Ferry Farm wins.

I just wish King George would have put the Walmart nearer to the "town" of King George.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Hawkrider]
      #1660972 - 09/30/11 12:36 PM (198.91.70.120)

It's fairly convenient for me as I can stop by when going to or from the base. My biggest gripe is one I have with most WalMarts - they don't do a great job of keeping the shelves stocked. Plus, depending on when you go, they don't have enough checkers working.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: DogResqer]
      #1661104 - 10/03/11 01:40 AM (71.161.58.69)

The cashiers at the KG Walmart all seem pretty nice, and I haven't experienced the nightmarish long lines that seem to be constant at all of the Fred area Walmarts. The help on the sales floor, while they are friendly and polite, are clueless! I've overheard stuff that needs to be put on Comedy Central.

The store is really basic, though. This store must have the smallest variety of products for a "super" Walmart.

Yawn. Wish the "retail center" was still a forest of trees.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: dayzdaze]
      #1661256 - 10/05/11 11:20 AM (69.161.110.47)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsCb9OloYak

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: pooh]
      #1663536 - 10/31/11 01:26 PM (71.168.1.15)

I've seen her there!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1663541 - 10/31/11 01:51 PM (214.28.226.87)

It official, 5 GUYS Burgers is coming, as well as Colonial Bank, VA ABC (moving from the food lion center), Game Stop, Hair Cuttery, Verizon.


http://www.klnb.com/PropDocs/7374.aspx
PHASE II HAS STARTED with another 87,000 sqft of retail space. So for those that are talking about Walmart does not have everything... this is probably why.

Crossing fingers for a LOWES! or PETSMART... hey how about a permanent location for the KING GEORGE FARMERS MARKET! Yeah I know that won't happen.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1663544 - 10/31/11 01:54 PM (214.28.226.87)

I KNOW WHAT IS NEEDED... a quality car repair place... one that doesn't make up repairs when you go in for inspections.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1663546 - 10/31/11 01:57 PM (214.28.226.87)

OR a TRACTOR SUPPLY since the Southern States went out of business.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1663555 - 10/31/11 02:46 PM (214.28.226.87)

I am hearing that STARBUCKS, POPEYES and DAIRY QUEEN are eyeballing spots.

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1663589 - 10/31/11 07:49 PM (74.214.55.112)

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I KNOW WHAT IS NEEDED... a quality car repair place... one that doesn't make up repairs when you go in for inspections.




C & S Auto is a great car repair place. Please, God, don't let them move to Dahlgren. Everything else is there. Let us keep this on "our" side of the county.


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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1663641 - 11/01/11 09:02 AM (198.91.70.120)

Yes, a PetsMart! I think that this would be a good location for one, as the closest one in SoMD is Waldorf and I guess the closest one to KG is in Falmouth, although I go to Cosner's Corner quite a bit to avoid the intersection from hell. Also, the adoption days that PetsMart offers would be a huge boon to local rescues, as they wouldn't have to cart their adoptables so far.

Popeyes - yum! Love the popcorn shrimp!! I was so happy when they opened one in LaPlata!!

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: DogResqer]
      #1663711 - 11/01/11 05:13 PM (71.168.1.15)

Is it PetsMart or PetSmart?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Fade2Black]
      #1664270 - 11/07/11 07:05 PM (71.161.56.71)

Where did you hear that Starbucks were coming? We need a Lowes or a Home Depot in that area. Anyone know any word about that?

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: DogResqer]
      #1664277 - 11/07/11 07:30 PM (74.214.41.203)

Anything that precludes going to S. Md. for something is a good thing. Bridge is now $4, set to go to $6 in 2013. I gave up the idea of movies in Waldorf at $3. Its getting ridiculous. No, wait, its already ridiculous...

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Re: King George Gateway Retail Shopping Center [Re: Hawkrider]
      #1664278 - 11/07/11 07:32 PM (74.214.41.203)

Quote:

Quote:

I KNOW WHAT IS NEEDED... a quality car repair place... one that doesn't make up repairs when you go in for inspections.




C & S Auto is a great car repair place. Please, God, don't let them move to Dahlgren. Everything else is there. Let us keep this on "our" side of the county.




Yeah, C&S doesn't make up BS "problems" to correct for getting the inspection. I get all my inspections there.

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