Big Al
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If the election were held today, how would you vote?
Proposed constitutional amendment
Shall Article I (the Bill of Rights) of the Constitution of Virginia be amended to state:
"That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage."?
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Sweetie
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Marriage is between one man and one woman. Not for same sex couples. I don’t get what’s the big deal. Is this about same sex couple getting the same type of benefit that married couples get?
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Marriage is between one man and one woman. Not for same sex couples. I don’t get what’s the big deal. Is this about same sex couple getting the same type of benefit that married couples get?
It is about equal protection under the law. The law should not differentiate between two individuals based on sexual preference. It is an arbitrary distinction whose only foundation is based in religion.
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Marriage is between a man and a woman. That is how it was in the beginning and that's the way it should stay. Good character and ethics should stay strong. This world is getting worse by the day, because we are not standing up for what is right. Everyone has to be "politically correct". That's a bunch of hogwash! Kids are killing kids, Rapist's get off with a slap on the wrist, a movie isn't good if doesn't have sex and violence in it, people are more interested in earning the mighty dollar and sacrificing their families as a result, the list goes on and on. Bit by bit this country's morales are going down the toilet. People would rather do what feels good than what is right. Keep marriage the way God intended it!
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rellascout
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Marriage is between a man and a woman. That is how it was in the beginning and that's the way it should stay. Good character and ethics should stay strong. This world is getting worse by the day, because we are not standing up for what is right. Everyone has to be "politically correct". That's a bunch of hogwash! Kids are killing kids, Rapist's get off with a slap on the wrist, a movie isn't good if doesn't have sex and violence in it, people are more interested in earning the mighty dollar and sacrificing their families as a result, the list goes on and on. Bit by bit this country's morales are going down the toilet. People would rather do what feels good than what is right. Keep marriage the way God intended it!
I do not consider homosexuality immoral in any way shape or form. It has nothing to do with any of the things you are listing. Are gays killing kids? Are there more gay rapist's then straight? Nothing you have listed here has anything to do with the issue at hand.
God does not exist for many Americans. Others like Jews do not believe that God forbids gay marriage. There is a seperation of church and state in this country. Gods law does not equal US law. We have a law that states all people deserve fair and equal protection under the law. Why does this not apply to Gays?
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Marriage is between a man and a woman. That is how it was in the beginning and that's the way it should stay. Good character and ethics should stay strong. This world is getting worse by the day, because we are not standing up for what is right. Everyone has to be "politically correct". That's a bunch of hogwash! Kids are killing kids, Rapist's get off with a slap on the wrist, a movie isn't good if doesn't have sex and violence in it, people are more interested in earning the mighty dollar and sacrificing their families as a result, the list goes on and on. Bit by bit this country's morales are going down the toilet. People would rather do what feels good than what is right. Keep marriage the way God intended it!
I do not consider homosexuality immoral in any way shape or form. It has nothing to do with any of the things you are listing. Are gays killing kids? Are there more gay rapist's then straight? Nothing you have listed here has anything to do with the issue at hand.
God does not exist for many Americans. Others like Jews do not believe that God forbids gay marriage. There is a seperation of church and state in this country. Gods law does not equal US law. We have a law that states all people deserve fair and equal protection under the law. Why does this not apply to Gays?
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I commend your p.o.v. & agree 100% ...... unfortunately we're in the minority.
Haven't you noticed we're also in The Bible Belt where God's word (read : as PERCEIVED by man) supercedes anything that can be deemed as "fair and equal" -- especially when it comes to the political collection plate ?
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gargayle
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Is this about same sex couple getting the same type of benefit that married couples get?
Yes it is, because now if their partner dies, they are not entitled to the same benefits as a widow or widower is. If their SO is hurt in a hospital and needs emergency treatment, they can not sign papers for them to receive that treatment nor are they allowed to see them in ICU. They can not add their SO to their insurance. The list goes on and on.
If two people love each other they should be allowed to take care of each other no matter the sexual orientation. If people don't like the "marriage" tag for same sexes then at least allow them civil union so they may take care of the ones they love.
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error404
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Kids are killing kids, Rapist's get off with a slap on the wrist, a movie isn't good if doesn't have sex and violence in it, people are more interested in earning the mighty dollar and sacrificing their families as a result, the list goes on and on. Bit by bit this country's morales are going down the toilet.
What's this got to do with people getting married? I'm not gay, and knowing gay people marry doesn't make me want to become gay. If you're secure in your sexual orientation, what's the problem? Morals?
Morals say that people who love each other should commit to each other.
BTW a "NO" vote means you want to allow same sex marriage. I bet the way it's worded, people will get confused.
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error404
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The law should not differentiate between two individuals based on sexual preference.
Only bigots care about gays getting married. Imagine, a bible teaching bigotry and hate.
It goes against everything this country was built on...fair and equal treatment for all people.
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john1315
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Marriage is between a man and a woman. That is how it was in the beginning and that's the way it should stay. Good character and ethics should stay strong. This world is getting worse by the day, because we are not standing up for what is right. Everyone has to be "politically correct". That's a bunch of hogwash! Kids are killing kids, Rapist's get off with a slap on the wrist, a movie isn't good if doesn't have sex and violence in it, people are more interested in earning the mighty dollar and sacrificing their families as a result, the list goes on and on. Bit by bit this country's morales are going down the toilet. People would rather do what feels good than what is right. Keep marriage the way God intended it!
Wrong. Equal means equal, definition: the same as, not different. If God has a problem with it, then we have to trust he will deal with it, but our government has no place discriminating against ANYONE for ANY reason. 
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BadBoyBartender
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The law should not differentiate between two individuals based on sexual preference.
Only bigots care about gays getting married. Imagine, a bible teaching bigotry and hate.
It goes against everything this country was built on...fair and equal treatment for all people.
Why should a sexual preference get preferential treatment? Fair and equal treatment? Get real!
If God wanted homosexuals, why did He create Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve?!
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error404
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Why should a sexual preference get preferential treatment? Fair and equal treatment? Get real!
If God wanted homosexuals, why did He create Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve?!
Why is marriage under the law a "preferential treatment"? I don't get your brand of logic.
Adam and Eve? So you believe all people came from 2 people? Inbreeding is okay with the bible but homosexuality is not?
Lots of animals practice homosexuality. God created these animals. Will god punish them?
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BadBoyBartender
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Obviously we have different views and beliefs, so let's just leave it at that...
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farmergirl
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BTW a "NO" vote means you want to allow same sex marriage. I bet the way it's worded, people will get confused.
A 'NO' vote on this ballot proposal actually means you are not in favor of amending the Virginia State Constitution in the way that this proposal is trying to. It does not necessarily mean you are voting in favor of gay marriage. Virginia already has laws which prohibit same sex marriage, and these laws will not be affected in any way by a NO vote on this issue. Many people plan to vote against this proposal because they believe in equality for all people. Many others plan to vote against it because they feel that the language of this proposal goes way too far, and will jeopardize the rights of all unmarried couples in Virginia. There are many, many reasons to Vote NO on election day. Check out votenova.org for more reasons.
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john1315
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Obviously we have different views and beliefs, so let's just leave it at that...
Right, well maybe. Aren't you the same person who started a thread in another forum regarding leaving out "details" of story and wondering if it's lying?  Obviously we DO have different views and beliefs.
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farmergirl
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Marriage is between a man and a woman. That is how it was in the beginning and that's the way it should stay...Keep marriage the way God intended it!
In the beginning (according to the Bible), marriage was between one man, and... a whole lot of women. If we are trying to base our laws on religion, look at the whole picture. Christianity's founders (Moses, Abraham, Solomon, etc...) practiced a very different form of marriage than is common now, and as God spoke directly to them, I assume their marriages were the way He intended them to be. Times change. It is past time for them to change again. The Old Testament implied that homosexuality was unnatural. Ever lived on a farm? Homosexuality does exist in nature.
The Old Testament also allowed you to sell your daughters into slavery (go ahead, look it up). I don't see any one trying to amend our state's constitution to allow THAT one.
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Duchess
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Whose idea was this amendment? Or is it just a ploy to bring out super-conservative, presumably Republican voters??
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This whole issue really angers me. For the life of me I just cant understand the problem with two people of the same sex that love each other. I really need some help here to understand how gay marriage hurts anyone.
People keep saying that its a sexual preference, I don't think so. God made some people gay, why I don't know. To the people that say its a choice; did you make a decision one day you were going to be heterosexual? I know I didn't.
My best friend didn't he just is what he is and I thank God for making him the way he is and that he is my best friend. Anyway I really hope the state will vote no. My heart aches for gays because they have to put up with so much hate and judgement.
I am straight not narrow.
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Obviously we have different views and beliefs, so let's just leave it at that...
Right, well maybe. Aren't you the same person who started a thread in another forum regarding leaving out "details" of story and wondering if it's lying? Obviously we DO have different views and beliefs.
Great catch! Funny him not being totally honest with people he is close to hurts where being gay doesn't.
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The law should not differentiate between two individuals based on sexual preference.
Only bigots care about gays getting married. Imagine, a bible teaching bigotry and hate.
It goes against everything this country was built on...fair and equal treatment for all people.
Why should a sexual preference get preferential treatment? Fair and equal treatment? Get real!
If God wanted homosexuals, why did He create Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve?!
Another idiot quoting the Bible out of context. So, you saying we should follow the OT rules for marriage? If so, this amendment wouldn't be for one man and one woman. Those dudes in the OT had hundreds of wives, and concubines. Oh yeah, and lets not forget, people got stoned for premarital sex. Are we gonna hold straights to the same biblical standards?
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Gt
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The way they word them, Constitutional Amendments are always confusing. It's so the lawyers can get paid again when they have to reissue the referendum next time.
Many others plan to vote against it because they feel that the language of this proposal goes way too far, and will jeopardize the rights of all unmarried couples in Virginia.
BINGO! It's all about America ( read that MONEY ).
Christianity's founders (Moses, Abraham, Solomon, etc...) practiced a very different form of marriage than is common now
I was going to point out that religious practice ( not necessarily a belief in God ) is a lot like statistics, but I see I was superceded. 
just a ploy to bring out super-conservative, presumably Republican voters
I would have probably said just a ploy to bring out the extreme religious faction of the ultra-Conservative wing of the Republican Party. Hey - they win elections. GET ALL VOTERS TO THE POLLS!
No = people ( hetero, gay, lesbian, single, married, adult, child ) are more important than dollars.
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Heidelberg
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It is about equal protection under the law. The law should not differentiate between two individuals based on sexual preference. It is an arbitrary distinction whose only foundation is based in religion.
DING!!!!!
It really puzzels me that in a country where Church and State are supposed to be seperate that people are not able to see that this is a legal issue, not a moral one.
It DOES NOT MATTER what your or my moral stance are. Not giving any domestic partnership protection under the law is wrong wrong wrong.
The US has such a diverse mix of cultures, religions etc. you HAVE TO make that destinction.
Here's a scenario.....what if another religion becomes a majority in this country....are you going to be OK with new amendments based on their believes....????
The politicians that makes this amendment about gays only should be put in a public square and READ the whole thing out loud..let's see how many people would agree with it then... 
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Gt
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That's another aspect of the amendment - what you read can't possibly be the entire text of the entire amendment - so tread softly when you color in that vote - you may be losing your own existing rights or privileges.
And, one other thing - a scenario: let's say that JoeBob and SusyJean get married and then decide to later divorce ( heteros destroy the sanctity of this all important marriage paper all the time ).
Then, a little later they decide to get back together and live out their lives but decide not to re-do the vows ( this happens, too ). What are JoeBob's and SusyJean's legal rights regarding one another?
What is the value of marriage paper if just another piece of paper can make it null and void? If the answer is little or nothing, what's all the hullabaloo about?
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john1315
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That's another aspect of the amendment - what you read can't possibly be the entire text of the entire amendment - so tread softly when you color in that vote - you may be losing your own existing rights or privileges.
And, one other thing - a scenario: let's say that JoeBob and SusyJean get married and then decide to later divorce ( heteros destroy the sanctity of this all important marriage paper all the time ).
Then, a little later they decide to get back together and live out their lives but decide not to re-do the vows ( this happens, too ). What are JoeBob's and SusyJean's legal rights regarding one another?
What is the value of marriage paper if just another piece of paper can make it null and void? If the answer is little or nothing, what's all the hullabaloo about?
Here's another great point, it's not about the paper. It's about the committment, made before God (for most of us) to uphold the vows of marriage to your spouse. Minimalizing it by referring to it as a piece of paper that can be undone by another piece of paper is horribly misguided. I guess the divorce rate is what it is because of people who think of marriage as a file down at city hall.
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john1315
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If Terry Schiavo had been married to another woman, would she still be alive today? Would the Republicans had stood on the floor and fought for her to be put back on the feeding tube? Just food for thought, or a topic for another forum.
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BadBoyBartender
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The law should not differentiate between two individuals based on sexual preference.
Only bigots care about gays getting married. Imagine, a bible teaching bigotry and hate.
It goes against everything this country was built on...fair and equal treatment for all people.
Why should a sexual preference get preferential treatment? Fair and equal treatment? Get real!
If God wanted homosexuals, why did He create Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve?!
Another idiot quoting the Bible out of context. So, you saying we should follow the OT rules for marriage? If so, this amendment wouldn't be for one man and one woman. Those dudes in the OT had hundreds of wives, and concubines. Oh yeah, and lets not forget, people got stoned for premarital sex. Are we gonna hold straights to the same biblical standards?
And your an "expert" on the Bible?
Like I said we all have differing opinions, But you revert to name calling. thanks for making a person not want to voice an opinion, afterall when we do we get called names so why bother.....Talk about high morals...pfft...
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BadBoyBartender
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Obviously we have different views and beliefs, so let's just leave it at that...
Right, well maybe. Aren't you the same person who started a thread in another forum regarding leaving out "details" of story and wondering if it's lying? Obviously we DO have different views and beliefs.
As a matter of fact I am and if you re-read the post I asked a question and was not justifying it. BTW walk a mile in my shoes and then you can judge me.....
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Gt
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Minimalizing it by referring to it as a piece of paper that can be undone by another piece of paper is horribly misguided. I guess the divorce rate is what it is because of people who think of marriage as a file down at city hall.
No, heterosexual marriage ( held up as sacred by those attempting to force through a Constitutional Amendment to make it legally concrete ) is maligned horribly by those tens of millions who have divorced, causing me to focus on the real legal ( not religious ) aspect of heterosexual marriage ( a piece of paper ) and the absolute ease of our society to minimalize it via another piece of paper.
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Heidelberg
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Just in case somebody wants to read it:
[url=http://www.sbe.state.va.us/cms/documents/2006_Constitutional_Amendments/2006ques_marriage_APPROVED.pdf#search="marriage%20amendment%20in%20virginia"]Amendment[/url]
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john1315
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Minimalizing it by referring to it as a piece of paper that can be undone by another piece of paper is horribly misguided. I guess the divorce rate is what it is because of people who think of marriage as a file down at city hall.
No, heterosexual marriage ( held up as sacred by those attempting to force through a Constitutional Amendment to make it legally concrete ) is maligned horribly by those tens of millions who have divorced, causing me to focus on the real legal ( not religious ) aspect of heterosexual marriage ( a piece of paper ) and the absolute ease of our society to minimalize it via another piece of paper.
Say what? 
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Gt
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What part didn't you understand?
It's simply the obverse of what you said, and IMO the more appropos description of what's afoot. I hope you understood what you said.
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john1315
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What part didn't you understand?
It's simply the obverse of what you said, and IMO the more appropos description of what's afoot. I hope you understood what you said.
You talk purdy'r than a twenny dollar whore.......... 
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Gt
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What part didn't you understand?
It's simply the obverse of what you said, and IMO the more appropos description of what's afoot. I hope you understood what you said.
You talk purdy'r than a twenny dollar whore..........
Say what?
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saieddie
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I'd like to see an amendment that takes the power to issue marriage certificates away from the government. If people want to coown property, have kids, or be legally responsible for another, let them goto a lawyer and draw up the contracts. If you want to be married, goto your church. If your church disallows gay marriage, why would you be a member in the first place?
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F_Stop
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I'd like to see an amendment that takes the power to issue marriage certificates away from the government. If people want to coown property, have kids, or be legally responsible for another, let them goto a lawyer and draw up the contracts. If you want to be married, goto your church. If your church disallows gay marriage, why would you be a member in the first place?
Good idea.
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